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Re: Mozilla hit with takedown request for anti-paywall addons

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I am the author of that add-on ... what would you do in my shoes ? - provide an XPI (that will only benefit the few since the side-loading process is made awkwarder at every point release) ? - fight it ? If so, on what grounds and how ? - something else ?

Stop enabling the destruction of journalism?

That's an entirely serious suggestion. I'm not arguing that what you're doing is illegal. I have all sorts of qualms with copyright and its enforcement myself. If I were "copyright czar", movies would get three years, and newspapers maybe a week.

But if we wish for copyright-holders to respect the rights of internet users, it would seem to be a winning proposition to maybe not actively work against their attempts to find a compromise.

And a "soft paywall" that allows you to read a dozen or so articles per month without subscription seems to be jus that: a compromise, and a reasonable one at that.

What do you expect to be the long-term outcome of bypassing such mechanisms? I have trouble of thinking of anything but "soft paywalls" turning into "hard paywalls". Then, we'll be left with the maybe one or two publications we subscribe to. How can such an outcome be in anyone's interest?

I know you can bypass these schemes. Yes, they are laughable. I know ads are sometimes annoying. I know large swaths of the press have earned your scorn because they, like, use the wrong JS framework. Or something.

But I still don't understand this attitude that appears to go even further than just "I want it for free" to an almost gleeful appreciation of vandalism destroying the foundations of democratic societies.

Re: Mozilla hit with takedown request for anti-paywall addons

#123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alternatively, the add-ons break the social contract, whereby content creators request payment for their content. If you visit stuff on the web, you respect the concept of a social contract between you and the provide. Don’t try to circumvent their wishes.

> If you visit stuff on the web, you respect the concept of a social contract between you and the provide. If I send a site an http GET request, and that site responds by giving me some data, then that site has given me implied consent to look at the data. If they don't want me to look at it, they shouldn't have given me it.

^ THIS! I don’t see how the situation is in any way more complicated. Real-world analogies can get pretty squirrelly but it would be quite literally like the following.

Man standing on the sidewalk outside a store yells into the store at the shopkeeper “hey there, can I have some free fish?”

Shopkeeper yells back “sure!” and tosses a fish to the man on the sidewalk.

Add more yelling back and forth for TLS handshake.

At this point, the man on the sidewalk can do whatever he wants with the fish. It was freely given.

Re: Mozilla hit with takedown request for anti-paywall addons

#124

I am the author of that add-on ... what would you do in my shoes ? - provide an XPI (that will only benefit the few since the side-loading process is made awkwarder at every point release) ? - fight it ? If so, on what grounds and how ? - something else ?

Raly all your users to bug Mozilla about unbreaking side-loading. If addons really isnt supposed be a walled garden as they claim, they should be willing to open a discussion with the community about how to open things up so we can avoid legal bullying like this.

Re: Mozilla hit with takedown request for anti-paywall addons

#125

I am the author of that add-on ... what would you do in my shoes ? - provide an XPI (that will only benefit the few since the side-loading process is made awkwarder at every point release) ? - fight it ? If so, on what grounds and how ? - something else ?

Rename the plugin and change the description. The message from Mozilla states that the problem is the intent of the plugin. The technological measures it actually takes are not illegal per sé, but are illegal when used to circumvent paywalls (of course IANAL).

If you present this as a plug-in that allows you to view websites as the Google bot views them, for educational and debugging purposes, there is no problem. You can give the fact that it won’t see the paywall as an example. It’s actually useful for that purpose: you are not lying. It’s just that most people will install the plugin for its ‘side effects’. Their use of it will still be illegal, but the intent will not be illegal. Cf. Firearms, crypto, drugs, ...

(I say this as someone that pays for various journalistic sources and I encourage everyone to pay for at least their three favorite sources)

Re: Mozilla hit with takedown request for anti-paywall addons

#126

I am the author of that add-on ... what would you do in my shoes ? - provide an XPI (that will only benefit the few since the side-loading process is made awkwarder at every point release) ? - fight it ? If so, on what grounds and how ? - something else ?

Stop enabling the destruction of journalism? That's an entirely serious suggestion. I'm not arguing that what you're doing is illegal. I have all sorts of qualms with copyright and its enforcement myself. If I were "copyright czar", movies would get three years, and newspapers maybe a week. But if we wish for copyright-holders to respect the rights of internet users, it would seem to be a winning proposition to maybe…

I have a few responses to this, but the most basic is: Please dont tell people what to do on their computers.

If your business model is not supportable except by other people willfully hiding information on the client computer, your business model is not good.

"Avoiding a paywall that's only half implemented" is not "the destruction of journalism."

Re: Mozilla hit with takedown request for anti-paywall addons

#127
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can if you use the Developer Edition. It's permanently disabled in the normal version because malware would piggyback on the browser to steal passwords and so on. Obviously Mozilla have no problem with people wanting to make their own extensions and so on.

Weird, I have 63.0.3 as far as I see the normal version and had no problem downloading and with that updating the November version of "bypass-paywalls" which was also affected from the releases page here: https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-firefox/releas...

Thanks for the link. Installed without problems.

Re: Mozilla hit with takedown request for anti-paywall addons

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post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stop enabling the destruction of journalism? That's an entirely serious suggestion. I'm not arguing that what you're doing is illegal. I have all sorts of qualms with copyright and its enforcement myself. If I were "copyright czar", movies would get three years, and newspapers maybe a week. But if we wish for copyright-holders to respect the rights of internet users, it would seem to be a winning proposition to maybe…

I have a few responses to this, but the most basic is: Please dont tell people what to do on their computers. If your business model is not supportable except by other people willfully hiding information on the client computer, your business model is not good. "Avoiding a paywall that's only half implemented" is not "the destruction of journalism."

You're willing to wage an awful lot on the proposition that there is another business model, even though both you as well as thousands of now-bancrupt publishers have failed to find it.

Also: your own business model of "living" is just held up by the completely artificial rule of others not taking everything you own. Just because "it's on the internet" doesn't make "might is right" a true proposition.

Re: Mozilla hit with takedown request for anti-paywall addons

#129

I am the author of that add-on ... what would you do in my shoes ? - provide an XPI (that will only benefit the few since the side-loading process is made awkwarder at every point release) ? - fight it ? If so, on what grounds and how ? - something else ?

Stop enabling the destruction of journalism? That's an entirely serious suggestion. I'm not arguing that what you're doing is illegal. I have all sorts of qualms with copyright and its enforcement myself. If I were "copyright czar", movies would get three years, and newspapers maybe a week. But if we wish for copyright-holders to respect the rights of internet users, it would seem to be a winning proposition to maybe…

> Stop enabling the destruction of journalism?

My two cents is that advertisement is what is killing journalism.

YouTube, for example, can show advertisements for well known companies in videos about Anti-vaccination, far-right conspiracies, etc. without consequences.

Why is that? Because all that happens in the privacy of your own computer. Usually any newspaper that publicly have printed such bullshit in their pages will be dead. Public will react to it.

What is different? Facebook, YouTube, etc. are personalized. You are shown what you are interested in without public accountability. Niche radical content gets a lot of views for its own controversial nature. Views and money.

Who wants to investigate, hire good writers and expend the money that it takes to write a good article when you can hire some one without ethics for a fraction of the price and get as many or more views as radicalization grows?

YouTube, Facebook and others say that they are not responsible of the content they offer. I think that it should be true for things like comments. But for the monetized content they are 100% responsible of incentivizing that radicalization and killing good journalism in the process.

Re: Mozilla hit with takedown request for anti-paywall addons

#130

The publishers want it both ways. They need to publish their full article content for search crawlers to read but don’t want humans to see it. The idea that this is a form of DRM protected by the DMCA is laughable in my opinion, but IANAL.

They mostly just want to survive... But in this case, they specifically want to allow you read maybe a dozen articles per month for free, but also (see above) to eat.

Criminals also just want to survive. That doesn't make their immoral business model legitimate.
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