How we built the largest database of police use of force in N.J. history
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#2Confusing title. 'police force' -> 'police use of force'.
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#3True journalism.
ACLU should do a nationwide one, they'd raise the money in a hearbeat.
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#4A database that lists the officers responsible for force by name, frequency and race. Resulting in neat graphs that strongly suggests that police violence is caused by two factors: individuals and/or race.
Police brutality is a serious problem and data like this should be available, but several things here are (maybe intentionally) provocative:
1. Listing the officers by name is a kind of online vigilantism that ultimately might threaten their personal safety. It doesn't sit well with me at least. This data should be anonymized.
2. The prominence of graphs that conflict race of officer with race distribution of the community. Race should really be stripped from this kind statistic. Race is a social construct based on superficial attributes that does not carry any explanatory meaning. It mostly serves to underpin racist prejudice, which in turn serves to blur out the real reasons for a problem.
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#5A database that lists the officers responsible for force by name, frequency and race. Resulting in neat graphs that strongly suggests that police violence is caused by two factors: individuals and/or race. Police brutality is a serious problem and data like this should be available, but several things here are (maybe intentionally) provocative: 1. Listing the officers by name is a kind of online vigilantism that ulti…
yeah this is not good. Being a police officer, putting your life on the line to protect citizens... the guy showing up at your place at 3 am to deal with a crazed meth addict neighbour next door.. doing this dangerous task for many years. To have armchair 'law enforcement' experts in each living room of the nation linking to an officers behaviour on twitter, not having the context of the case, the background and previous actions of the offender on file... seems like a recipe for misunderstanding. I do think those new axon body cams are a good idea though, a cop can not worry about getting skewered on public media if he has real time video proof of being provoked. Southland (Cop show) had a good episode clip of this .
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#6A database that lists the officers responsible for force by name, frequency and race. Resulting in neat graphs that strongly suggests that police violence is caused by two factors: individuals and/or race. Police brutality is a serious problem and data like this should be available, but several things here are (maybe intentionally) provocative: 1. Listing the officers by name is a kind of online vigilantism that ulti…
Police officers are unelected public officials granted permission to use deadly force on behalf of the state.
The data should not be anonymized.
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#7A database that lists the officers responsible for force by name, frequency and race. Resulting in neat graphs that strongly suggests that police violence is caused by two factors: individuals and/or race. Police brutality is a serious problem and data like this should be available, but several things here are (maybe intentionally) provocative: 1. Listing the officers by name is a kind of online vigilantism that ulti…
Perhaps the individual who has been granted the right to violence will finally change their abusive and, for any normal person, illegal behaviour if they are finally outed.
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#8A database that lists the officers responsible for force by name, frequency and race. Resulting in neat graphs that strongly suggests that police violence is caused by two factors: individuals and/or race. Police brutality is a serious problem and data like this should be available, but several things here are (maybe intentionally) provocative: 1. Listing the officers by name is a kind of online vigilantism that ulti…
>Listing the officers by name is a kind of online vigilantism that ultimately might threaten their personal safety.
As soon as:
* The blue code of silence collapses.
* Judges and politicians stop covering for cop brutality and protecting cop killers.
* Police are more than half as likely to die on the job as a trash collectors.
I'll maybe start to buy this line of reasoning.
It's an insult to the memory of every unarmed, peaceful citizen who has died at police hands to pretend that vigilantism is potentially a bigger problem than police brutality.
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#9A database that lists the officers responsible for force by name, frequency and race. Resulting in neat graphs that strongly suggests that police violence is caused by two factors: individuals and/or race. Police brutality is a serious problem and data like this should be available, but several things here are (maybe intentionally) provocative: 1. Listing the officers by name is a kind of online vigilantism that ulti…
>Listing the officers by name is a kind of online vigilantism that ultimately might threaten their personal safety. As soon as: * The blue code of silence collapses. * Judges and politicians stop covering for cop brutality and protecting cop killers. * Police are more than half as likely to die on the job as a trash collectors. I'll maybe start to buy this line of reasoning. It's an insult to the memory of every unar…
> * Police are more than half as likely to die on the job as a trash collectors.
How is this at all relevant to whether a police officer deserves privacy? Yes, their fatality rate is around half that of a trash collector. Since when was HN anti-privacy?
You can use data like this to analyze and criticize the system, but I see no reason why the officers' identities would be helpful for any legitimate purpose, especially weighed against their privacy and the danger of such exposure in this heated political environment.
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#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Listing the officers by name is a kind of online vigilantism that ultimately might threaten their personal safety. As soon as: * The blue code of silence collapses. * Judges and politicians stop covering for cop brutality and protecting cop killers. * Police are more than half as likely to die on the job as a trash collectors. I'll maybe start to buy this line of reasoning. It's an insult to the memory of every unar…
> * Police are more than half as likely to die on the job as a trash collectors. How is this at all relevant to whether a police officer deserves privacy? Yes, their fatality rate is around half that of a trash collector. Since when was HN anti-privacy? You can use data like this to analyze and criticize the system , but I see no reason why the officers' identities would be helpful for any legitimate purpose, especia…
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of privacy. Privacy is not for government employees in the execution of their duties.