Monarch butterfly populations in U.S. west are down an order of magnitude

Post by campercoder » Sun, Dec 02, 2018, 10:37 AM UTC

sfvisser wrote: post #73

eksemplar wrote: post #62

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I don’t think the insect apocalypse is getting its attention stolen by climate change. I just don’t think enough people care. I mean, look at France. They are having violent riots because the gas prices were increased to fight climate change. I know that it’s easy for me, a relatively wealthy Scandinavian, to not worry about gas prices, but even if these people are struggling to make ends meet, they are right now, ac…

I think the people in France are acting very rational here. The artifical increase in gas prices directly hits their state of being right now and that of their kids. There is no uncertainty about that. Global warning may or may not make life shitty in some future scenario. Why do they, who are already poor, need to pay the price right now? I think most people rather want to be not poor in a world with global warning…

Post by campercoder » Sun, Dec 02, 2018, 10:42 AM UTC

Flozzin wrote: post #47

the8472 wrote: post #12

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You're assuming that's just due to insecticides. Insects are exposed to multiple stressors. One of them also happens to be global warming. Others are habitat loss, insecticides, invasive species, etc. In fact the researchers measuring the loss of insect biomass in puerto rico rainforests attributed it primarily to climate change since the other factors do not apply there.

I was going to mention the same thing. I too up until the puerto rico article blamed insecticides. But something much larger seems to be going on. https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2018/10/15/hyperalarm...

Post by EGreg » Sun, Dec 02, 2018, 10:46 AM UTC

elorant wrote: post #83

lkdjjdjjjdskjd wrote: post #81

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No humans? Few humans, but why no humans? Because everything would be under water?

Because there are vast quantities of methane under the permafrost and if they escape to the atmosphere the temperature will rise by a lot.

Post by campercoder » Sun, Dec 02, 2018, 10:48 AM UTC

eesmith wrote: post #79

quotemstr wrote: post #69

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The commentator to whom you're replying isn't denying climate change. He's proposing that the insect die off is happening on too short a time scale to attribute it entirely to climate change. That you're attacking him as if he were a climate denier is an example of the sort of behavior that creates climate deniers.

I was specially referring to the comments the g'parent poster made concerning climate, in a paragraph starting "As to climate". It happens that the statements made are not only incorrect, but aligned with common talking points which are predominantly made by climate change denialists. But you'll note that I carefully did not say that the poster was a CCD. I said the arguments were those used by CCD and which have bee…

Post by robotbikes » Sun, Dec 02, 2018, 11:07 AM UTC

crispinb wrote: post #87

All our evolved natural systems are collapsing, and are being replaced by crude early-stage technological ones. "Fighting" each as a separate policy issue is a continuation of the fluffy-minded & neurotic economic/business attitude which cannot cope with facing physical reality. We're almost certainly stuffed. This was probably always inevitable, because the naked ape likely lacks whatever capacities might be needed…