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On Being Accused (Neil DeGrasse Tyson)

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“If I hug you I might just want more.” is a very creepy thing to say in my opinion.

It's a pretty peculiar thing to say. Maybe even a bad attempt at flirting. But it seems like whether it's creepy depends on how it's delivered and by whom.

Sure I suppose I'll grant that creepiness is subjective and others will find this creepy even if I don't.

But what's more critical IMO is what if anything we should do about it. Should NDT lose job opportunities? Should women fear working with him? Not over 'creepiness' IMO. That said, losing job opportunities and women avoiding him is a natural consequence if the frequency/severity of the bad behavior continues.

The power of #metoo is that through unity, past victims can prevent future ones. If NDT truly victimizes women, this disclosure will help prevent more.

Re: On Being Accused (Neil DeGrasse Tyson)

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In this case, and the case with Andy Rubin, I immediately thought "these people are guilty" - without evidence, without even knowing them or having spoken to them or otherwise having any sort of real judgement about their character.

I had to step back and realize that I was jumping to a conclusion prematurely.

In case you are not familiar with how the law works (outside of the court of social media), an accusation, no matter how believable, is not damning evidence - even when multiple accusations come to light. Objectivity is extremely important in these situations because it has already been demonstrated that our instincts are not impartial.

I'm not saying that any given person is or is not guilty, just that they deserve a fair trial.

Re: On Being Accused (Neil DeGrasse Tyson)

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In this case, and the case with Andy Rubin, I immediately thought "these people are guilty" - without evidence, without even knowing them or having spoken to them or otherwise having any sort of real judgement about their character. I had to step back and realize that I was jumping to a conclusion prematurely. In case you are not familiar with how the law works (outside of the court of social media), an accusation, n…

There is nothing wrong with suspecting that they are guilty when there are multiple accusers, because you are a person in the court of social media, and not a judge.

It's okay to form an opinion without believing that your opinion should be adopted as a legal conclusion!

Re: On Being Accused (Neil DeGrasse Tyson)

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It must be really hard to be in the public eye like this. He probably meets, what? 10,000 people a year? Maybe more? Everyone wants a photo, a snippet of conversation. The chances of saying or doing something stupid go up astronomically.

Yes, there are genuine creeps out there. But no, I don’t think you can judge a person by a few “puts foot in mouth” moments. We all do that sometimes, but when you are a celebrity the stakes are so much higher.

Re: On Being Accused (Neil DeGrasse Tyson)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uncharitable reading: "a very creepy thing" Charitable reading: "a funny throw away comment"

No, actually, it's just creepy.

While I'd agree with you 'in the wild' on a random person, if you watch Neil for a length of time on stage,.... he has an energy about him. It almost exudes as a hyperactive type of quality. Not many people are excited about space "stuff" - so I can see him just becoming overly excited when people ARE interested.
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