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AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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That's a nice quote -- I wasn't familiar with Anacharsis, so I read up on him. For what it's worth, considering he came to Athens in 589 BC[0], I think your date of 6 BC is a little off. [0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anacharsis

For what it's worth, I meant 6th century BC (seeing that I mentioned Solon et al, and not Romans being around).

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for the clarification. Have a great day!

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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That just screws the middle class (~$40k to $150k). The cost of waging legal warfare against the ticket will still be greater than the inflated fine while the wealthy will easily be able to afford the kind of lawyer who can get an overworked traffic court judge and the cop who has to take a day off from fieldwork to agree to more reasonable terms. The solution to fines is to simply get rid of fines and instead use a…

> The solution to fines is to simply get rid of fines and instead use a more aggressive "point" system. You're assuming the problem that fines address is modifying driver behaviour. It isn't. The primary problem fines address is revenue.

You are entirely correct, I was just using the common example at hand to make my point.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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That's pressure not to jump in front of cars. You don't have to jump in front of a car to trigger this rule, you just have to put one foot into the road.

It's unclear to me what the problem is, here. Are you picturing bored teenagers doing this as a joke or something? In practice this is incredibly rare. Such 'feral children' will be causing way worse problems elsewhere anyway. If you're driving in London and someone gets a bit close to the edge of the footpath and looks like they might walk out, yes, you slow down and get ready to stop. If you actually think they're…

> In practice this is incredibly rare.

That's why I said I'm sure it's fine in practice in my first post.

>If you're driving in London and someone gets a bit close to the edge of the footpath and looks like they might walk out, yes, you slow down and get ready to stop. If you actually think they're walking out, you brake hard.

>Because you don't want to hit them.

You don't want to hit them.

Entirely separately from that, if they force you to slam on your brakes, when you are not being reckless, they should be chastised.

> It's unclear to me what the problem is, here.

Giving someone right of way when they're going to cross the road is fine. But it should not be absolute and instant, forcing cars to brake at 100% power.

Someone on a footpath, giving no signs of wanting to enter the road, could do so in one second. It takes longer than that for a car to stop.

To solve the problem, give cars enough slack to stop at medium braking intensity before the right of way kicks in. That's all. Lack of right of way isn't permission to hit them. It just means they're wrong to be sprinting across the street.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Huge fines for the rich are amusing but scaling that part of the cost doesn't address the core problem very well. Actually, a fee of 14 days of income sounds crippling to someone who's poor, so that's an example of it not helping at all .

Absolutely. Those with less income are going from day to day without any significant savings, those with more may well have enough saved to survive several months.

But this is still not an argument against fines scaling up with your income, is it?

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Heres further proof the justice system is screwed. Yesterday I was stopped while driving for not having current tags. Registration was renewed but I didn't have the sticker yet. Cop looked at my paperwork said all good be back in 5. Come to find out, I haven't had a valid license in 5 years. There was a mistake in court 5 years ago when I paid a fine (speeding ticket). I have a receipt from court saying all settled/m…

Every time I see people from the US saying stuff like that I am reminded how "justice" in the US is basically a money game instead of real justice.

Why. Is. This. Not. Free? Righting a wrong done to you, specially small ones, should be completely free.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Then fine by Net Worth and not by Income. Fine by Tax paid. And made it like the Tax system the more you have the higher percentage. There are people who just park their car anywhere and paid parking tickets, they really don't care because it was too small amount of money. If anything, people should realise the level of inequality has become. How unfair and unjust the system has made against the bottom half of the po…

I don't think it's possible to find a fair solution that's purely financially based. On the one hand, the poorest members of society might be unable to feed themselves on even a $50 fine. Unless you propose to bankrupt somebody for a speeding ticket, there's just no way to make any amount of fine sting as much for the richest members of society.

Scale linearly to 5% of gross income before deductions, minus minimum wage/poverty line.

Then someone on minimum wage of $30k will just get demerit points while someone on gross income over $200k will pay $8,500. Given that their “taxable income” after deductions is around $80k they will feel that sting.

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