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Re: Spectrum is joining GitHub

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post #101

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I like Gitter, the Scala community is on Gitter. However I wish they'd fix their IRC bridge, which has some issues, like not reporting the full list of users, which is driving me insane. Speaking of Slack-like, the best alternative remains in my opinion good old IRC. I'm a user of https://irccloud.com for always-on presence on IRC and it has better clients than Gitter.

Personally I'm really annoyed with Scala community's obsession with Gitter. It's such an inferior tool. Gitter search UI is the worst, and search itself is useless, often returning no results when you can spend an hour scrolling to find what you want manually. This is inexcusable when Gitter is your project's de facto Q&A place instead of more structured places like StackOverflow or Github issues. And so the users ar…

Chat works better than forums.

Speaking as a library maintainer, I've got GitHub issue that stayed there for months before I replied. That's because my time as a contributor is very limited and I get fatigue when replying to too many support tickets.

And you'd think, oh wait but there are other people willing to reply. But not really. Forum, email groups, even StackOverflow only work when the projects you're talking about are insanely popular.

This is because of two reasons:

1. people with problems are bad at describing those problems — this is why StackOverflow answers often don't answer the freaking question, but rather try to guess what the author wanted, a trend that's driving me insane, because I often want the answer to the question being asked and not something else; whereas on a chat channel, people have conversations, which helps clarify the intent

2. people are afraid of being wrong; but chat is more casual, so in my experience more people end up participating

Chat has other benefits. You can have off topic conversations, you can make jokes, you can make friends. I do wish Gitter had threaded conversations. They promised it at some point but nothing came of it.

Also, I do like Discourse (https://discourse.org). It does a good job to mix some chat features with forums. Scala has Discourse forums, like for example https://users.scala-lang.org ... but the Scala Gitter channel is way more popular.

And one final thought: I know communities that have virtually no meaningful online presence. You might be annoyed at our choice for using Gitter, but at least you've got some chat channels to go to.

Re: Spectrum is joining GitHub

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I didn't know Spectrum until today. It looks similar to Gitter. As I understand it, it means we now have at least three “slack-like”, well-backed, open-source, community-centered chats: - Gitter, now owned by GitLab; - Spectrum, now owned by GitHub; - Mattermost, independent, but fully integrated within GitLab. That's great to have credible alternatives to the proprietary behemots that are Slack, Discord and others,…

Usually the company intern defenders of custom protocols have a easy time swinging those to defend against compatibility to another protocol. "You do not want to implement XYZ- Standard, or the hostage, aka the USP-Feature, doesn't get it. In addition we would have to do work to re-implement basic feature ABC- so we do not just look like a broken client. Lots of work, to arrive at same point, so lets have a locked in garden until all the users walk away."

Instant project death. Also:

Glory to the m$pire.

Re: Spectrum is joining GitHub

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post #101

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Personally I'm really annoyed with Scala community's obsession with Gitter. It's such an inferior tool. Gitter search UI is the worst, and search itself is useless, often returning no results when you can spend an hour scrolling to find what you want manually. This is inexcusable when Gitter is your project's de facto Q&A place instead of more structured places like StackOverflow or Github issues. And so the users ar…

Chat works better than forums. Speaking as a library maintainer, I've got GitHub issue that stayed there for months before I replied. That's because my time as a contributor is very limited and I get fatigue when replying to too many support tickets. And you'd think, oh wait but there are other people willing to reply. But not really. Forum, email groups, even StackOverflow only work when the projects you're talking…

> Chat works better than forums.

I've never had much satisfactory help from chat. I think I've never quite understood the social element of it. Do I wait for a pause? Do I make friends first? Just ask my question and wait?

Ask a question and hang around for half hour to see if anyone replies?

And in the meanwhile 6 different conversations, statements, off-topic chats and other noise is scrolling past me completely ruining any focus I had.

I find them utterly hateful things when I'm in problem-solving mode. Maybe they are more fun when you're in a "sort of working" mode but that's not when I need help.

Re: Spectrum is joining GitHub

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Charter spectrum predates time Warner's take over. It wasn't a merger, twc is taking over charter. Just like the time they did that with AOL.

TWC most certainly did not take over Charter. The other way around, which is also why the legacy Spectrum brand continued on. Disclaimer: Former employee of Bright House/Charter.

The same with AOL with everyone thinking the same thing. Sorry but charter is toast, it will be either a brand name and see me infrastructure, but entirely controlled by twc.

Re: Spectrum is joining GitHub

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I didn't know Spectrum until today. It looks similar to Gitter. As I understand it, it means we now have at least three “slack-like”, well-backed, open-source, community-centered chats: - Gitter, now owned by GitLab; - Spectrum, now owned by GitHub; - Mattermost, independent, but fully integrated within GitLab. That's great to have credible alternatives to the proprietary behemots that are Slack, Discord and others,…

Zulip has a matrix bridge ( https://zulip.com/integrations/doc/matrix ) Also, Zulip is full open source, not open core (meant as a response to rst's comment, not the parent...). Mattermost is open core.

The matrix bridge is _quite_ limited

Re: Spectrum is joining GitHub

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Or the other Spectrum, the magazine of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers, which has been published since 1964...

Or the instant messaging transport, which is what I thought this was related to when I first saw it. :) https://spectrum.im/

Or the 8-bit Z80-based 1980s computer that was huge outside of the US (when the US was mainly Commodore 64 focused) (1) and of Google Doodle fame (2)

1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX_Spectrum

2 - https://www.google.com/doodles/st-georges-day-the-30th-anniv...

Re: Spectrum is joining GitHub

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I am curious how it is not a trademark infringement? Can someone please explain? Skype was sued in UK for using letters "S,K,Y" by brand "Sky" and lost [1] [1] - https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-32593735

They weren't sued, it wasn't in the UK and the rejection was about the combination of the name Skype with a generic-looking cloudish logo.

Subsequent they made a logo from the S alongside the word Skype and registered it successfully.

Re: Spectrum is joining GitHub

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Chat works better than forums. Speaking as a library maintainer, I've got GitHub issue that stayed there for months before I replied. That's because my time as a contributor is very limited and I get fatigue when replying to too many support tickets. And you'd think, oh wait but there are other people willing to reply. But not really. Forum, email groups, even StackOverflow only work when the projects you're talking…

> Chat works better than forums. I've never had much satisfactory help from chat. I think I've never quite understood the social element of it. Do I wait for a pause? Do I make friends first? Just ask my question and wait? Ask a question and hang around for half hour to see if anyone replies? And in the meanwhile 6 different conversations, statements, off-topic chats and other noise is scrolling past me completely ru…

Gitter sends you an email when you’re being mentioned.

Our experiences are wildly different.

On Gitter, on the channels I hang out, I think I got answers to my problems in 99% of cases.

Re: Spectrum is joining GitHub

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post #33

I spent a fair bit of time trying out many of the different chat systems out there for our tech community. In particular I looking for solutions that could do a half decent job of combining synchronous as well as asynchronous communication. The main benefit of implementations that manage to pull this off is being able to handle real-time chat but also make it easier to catch up with the conversation history if you've…

Slack has threads. I don't know why nobody knows this. And unlike Zulip they aren't mandatory, which is a bit nicer for small channels.

IME, it is awkward to revisit collapsed threads in Slack; especially after the thread has aged a few hours.
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