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H-1B visa shift may favor tech companies

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Re: H-1B visa shift may favor tech companies

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> The Department of Homeland Security wants to switch the order of these lotteries, it said in a notice of the proposed rule change, which would — somewhat counterintuitively — improve the odds for those highly educated workers > ... with a master’s or doctoral degree from an American college or university This is a welcome change. But this biases the playing field in favor of those graduating from American degree mi…

Universities are not the same and a bad American university is probably no better than a bad foreign university. Most countries with sensible work visas have a point system. Make candidates self-asses and file the application, bucket them into tiers and if you still really want to roll the dice then assign spots to particular tiers. Japan is a great example. They have a wide range of visas. From unskilled worker visa…

>>Universities are not the same and a bad American university is probably no better than a bad foreign university.

As far as India is concerned, if you compare any random US university with any institute from India, barring for IIT's, I am ready to wager any US university will win hands down!

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There are similar policy changes being discussed and or implemented all over the world.

In my opinion there should be a discriminatory reciprocal system based on the country you are from.

Meaning a high income country like Norway should set up a reciprocal residency for work program with say Australia that would have more relaxed conditions than the general program.

Similar to how visa free travel works.

The economic incentive in migrating from a poor to a rich country are just too dominating at the detriment of both the poor country (which looses educated workforce) and the rich country (whose citizens face heavily skewed labor competition in some areas).

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Why not just go to an auction system, where the group that is going to give the highest salary gets the visa? You could adjust it for CoL so all H1Bs don't end up in SF and NYC. What would be bad about this system?

I thought this too, until it was pointed out to me that not every H1-B is an engineer. For example, if you want to bring in someone to teach a rare foreign language at a University, they have a qualifying special skill but they certainly aren’t making the six figure engineer salary.

Maybe they should get paid more to teach the rare language. Supply and demand.

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Why not just go to an auction system, where the group that is going to give the highest salary gets the visa? You could adjust it for CoL so all H1Bs don't end up in SF and NYC. What would be bad about this system?

It'll put startups at disadvantage. Very hard to compare equity compensation with liquid compensation big companies offer.

The equity compensation is nearly worthless anyway, so that's only fair.

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And that's bad because?

Unless we implement a new visa for graduates of American universities we experience brain drain. We would be exporting American educated individuals to other countries rather than making use of them ourselves. It also doesn't account for the fact that H1B isn't just for engineers. Not all highly skilled professionals get paid salaries commensurate with the IT and CS industries. So now we also need to split it by job…

Salaries for other fields would rise due to the reduced supply of foreign labor. That is a good thing.

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Why not just go to an auction system, where the group that is going to give the highest salary gets the visa? You could adjust it for CoL so all H1Bs don't end up in SF and NYC. What would be bad about this system?

Who picks how many spots to auction off? Is there any rational basis for that number or is it just some kind of random 'out of your ass' political thing? https://johnhcochrane.blogspot.com/2014/06/the-optimal-numbe...

I’d rather see an auction, not for the salary, but for a tax “right to hire”, to be paid yearly as long as the H1B is here. That tax should go for college tuition for US students studying in the field of the role being filled by this H1B. Potentially that tax should also be sent straight into social security general fund (not for the H1B holder). If those H1Bs aren’t converted to green cards, then the country will never have to pay out any Social Security benefits, continuing the systems liquidity.

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As a person from New Zealand without an advanced degree (from anywhere) but with 30+ years industry experience (and previously granted an H-1B in 2001), this seems like the wrong way to tackle the problem of Indian body shops. I was selected in this year's lottery in April and am still waiting for them to start processing the case -- according to their web site it could easily take until sometime in February, ten mon…

> I'm above that already, but apparently most of the Indians aren't.

This comment is just bordering on being inappropriate. The H1-B is a skilled worker program. Having a per country cap makes absolutely no sense.

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>My point is that it will make it easier for employees stuck in a bad spot due to employee abuse to switch jobs. Sure. I think that's fair, but getting a work visa should be harder in the first place. One of my previous companies got IT workers heavily through a big contracting company. We received folks who: 1) Didn't understand their domain 2) Couldn't communicate in English, neither verbal or written This person c…

How do you enforce that at a govt level when companies okay with it? Why didn't your company ask for interviews of contractors? We are seeing a free market failure here that is better fixed by companies rather than complicated and cumbersome regulation. How will USCIS and consulate officers be able to do a better job determining if someone is suitable to work in a company than the company themselves? Why should tax d…

Because companies are run by execs who only care about costs to deliver a product and DGAF about any of those things. I’ve seen this exact problem over and over. Usually it’s some “Growth Team” that is empowered by management to “pursue promising opportunities” and mostly consist of charming newbie execs, who propose wildly implausible changes that the engineering team does not have the patience to shoot down; or get tired of shooting down over and over again. So they try to circumvent it by trying these shenanigans.

It shouldn’t be surprising but it kinda shocks me how many American tech companies keep making these mistakes. The ones that avoid them seem to be ones whose execs have prior engineering background.

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We obviously had to let these people go. A director was also later let go because it turned out he was getting freebies under the table by the contracting company. We hire an external company to send us people because they have supposed to have vetted them. We pay for that service. This isn't just a company problem. Feel free to call the company lazy all you want, but why is someone who has no expertise in an area an…

So looks like the free market solution already worked in your case. You can have the govt administer TOEFL for everyone but companies can do it right now, asking the contractor that only people that pass TOEFL be allowed to work on the project. What social system burden? H1Bs are ineligible for unemployment benefits even though they are forced to pay for state unemployment insurance. Ineligible for food stamps becaus…

Your logic seems weird to me. His company was promised a service that was unable to be fulfilled because a Government program for making available talented non-citizens actually failed. He is suggesting that the program be run as expected. While you seem to be saying it’s ok to let in unqualified folks because they will ultimately always make a positive economic impact before inevitably getting kicked out.
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