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Re: A new look for rust-lang.org

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rhn_mk1 wrote: post #5
ajkjk wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I strongly agree. The list of features on the old list is very meaningful to a C programmer who will recognize all of those things as things would love to use every day. Its underlying message is "we're technical nerds and we made a thing that you'll like". The new version is corporate-speak that won't appeal to.. anyone? Its underlying message is "we're trying to get you to like us and we studied how to do this". Bu…

I totally agree. As a coder, whenever I visit a website of a project I'm interested in, I'm looking for key technical features to convince me it's the right tool for the job, or that it offers an unique property tht I never even thought about. That's usually conveyed in a list of bullet points, and a couple of examples. I can rarely find it though. I wasn't quite able to grasp why, and I kind of accepted this as how…

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Re: A new look for rust-lang.org

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Post by kjeetgill »

steveklabnik wrote: post #60
TylerJewell wrote: post #50

I'm CEO of WSO2 and we are working on a programming language for writing microservices called 'Ballerina', and we host it's community at http://ballerina.io . Prior to the first public launch, I pulled 9 of our core community members into an offsite where we developed and implemented the web site. It was a challenging exercise and so can relate to Rust's community efforts to the redesign. I wanted to offer some persp…

Just... thank you. Truly.

Hey Steve,

I wanted to chime in and say I'm sorry so much of the crticism on HN failed to stay on the right side of constructive. You and your team deserve more respect than that.

What's triggering people, likey fans rust fans sadly enough, is seeing their identity and fandom slipping away from focus. If this page had been presented as a why-rust.org splash page instead of a replacement for a treasured resource I'm sure those same vitrolic people would have been ambivalent at worst.

I like the new page. I'd hate to lose the old one, even if it moves to a rust-doc.org domain or something. And maybe a link to it from the splash page!

That's for all your hard work.

Re: A new look for rust-lang.org

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Post by kjeetgill »

andrepd wrote: post #52

They have a clean, effective website. It has a pleasing look, and mostly it's just what a webpage should be, after all: a document. Text, images, an interactive code editor. Some CSS to make it look pleasing and readable. A navbar at the top. It works, it is pleasing to the eye, it communicates what it what it is meant to communicate and links to 4 important sections of the website. Wait, let's throw all that away an…

Really? vomit-inducing monstrosity? why why why?

That's what the whole post is about: why. There's plenty of room for critical opinions, but at least address the started rationale.

They had a problem that wasn't yours: they're trying to reach an audience they don't have yet and they think this might. They what to address the why you might want Rust, not the what it is, or how it does it exactly.

Disagree with that.

Re: A new look for rust-lang.org

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Post by vtesucks »

bsder wrote: post #90
andrepd wrote: post #52

They have a clean, effective website. It has a pleasing look, and mostly it's just what a webpage should be, after all: a document. Text, images, an interactive code editor. Some CSS to make it look pleasing and readable. A navbar at the top. It works, it is pleasing to the eye, it communicates what it what it is meant to communicate and links to 4 important sections of the website. Wait, let's throw all that away an…

> What a complete cock-up. Ferociously bad doesn't even begin to cover it. This is a result of Rust attempting to be "social ecosystem" instead of a "useful programming language". Sigh. If you really wanted to improve the current website, make the "Featuring" bullets actually change the code in the runbox. Now THAT would be impressive so that people can actually see what all the fuss actually looks like. As for the n…

I don't mind who downboted this but it would help me to learn why?

It seems to me that this comment is making a valid point, if only in a strong tone.

Re: A new look for rust-lang.org

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Post by ken »

shafte wrote: post #38

I actually like the new website. I think the primary barrier to Rust adoption now is something along the lines of "my organization doesn't use it"—this website is clearly geared toward persuading CTOs or administrators. It's a sign of the strength of the Rust community that they feel they no longer need to persuade developers. It implies that many developers have already heard about and are interested in Rust, but ne…

The new subtitle "The programming language that empowers everyone to become a systems programmer" is a perfect example of that.

Any C programmer can see it's factually false, but it could definitely suggest to a C-level exec that they'll have an easier time hiring in the future if they use this language.

Re: A new look for rust-lang.org

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Post by xedrac »

I honestly can't look at the page for more than a few seconds without feeling very nauseous. The stark color changes everywhere make it hard to scan the page for relevant information. It feels way too distracting. I really like Guile's front page. It's very easy on the eyes and yet provides a lot of useful information: https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/

Re: A new look for rust-lang.org

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Post by dbrgn »

vtesucks wrote: post #95
bsder wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What a complete cock-up. Ferociously bad doesn't even begin to cover it. This is a result of Rust attempting to be "social ecosystem" instead of a "useful programming language". Sigh. If you really wanted to improve the current website, make the "Featuring" bullets actually change the code in the runbox. Now THAT would be impressive so that people can actually see what all the fuss actually looks like. As for the n…

I don't mind who downboted this but it would help me to learn why? It seems to me that this comment is making a valid point, if only in a strong tone.

Probably because of snippets like this one:

"the idea of putting "Embedded" on the front page and trying to advertise Rust as a useful embedded language isn't just laughable--it's dangerous. Rust is so far from useful in embedded that people who try to use it will NEVER come back"

Embedded is still at its early development stages, just like WASM and just like asynchronous network programming. Still, all those are on the front page.

WASM a year ago and wasm todays is a tremendous difference. A year ago, in my opinion, WASM was something for experimentation. Now, a lot of the ecosystem "just works" and is developing really quickly. You can write a working JS library and upload it to NPM without even touching a line of JavaScript code.

Async (network) programming in Rust with async/await is promising but still in flux, so the ecosystem hasn't settled yet. Still, a lot of systems already use it in production.

Embedded in Rust a year ago was mostly a list of blogposts, an early draft of HAL traits and some random register binding crates. You had to use nightly, and your code would frequently break. But in just a few weeks, you'll be able to use Embedded on stable, there is an active ecosystem developing around svd2rust, groups like stm-rs and lpc-rs are forming and a lot of device agnostic drivers have already been written. Combine that with a very promising preview of a new version of the RTFM framework. It's not production ready yet, but I'd estimate it will be within 2 years. See https://github.com/rust-embedded/awesome-embedded-rust for a summary of the ecosystem.

The problem with the post above is not that it's written in a strong tone. It's that it's uninformed, generalizing and unfair.

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