I think the reason why this is a story that is causing a lot of interest and outrage is that Soros was right! Sandberg, Zuck and co, instead of reflecting on what was actually happening, and investigating the issues that Facebook was causing, or was being used for, chose to try to play defense and attach the people and organizations that were criticizing them. If Facebook was serious about becoming a "good" platform,…
Sheryl Sandberg Is Said to Have Asked Facebook Staff to Research George Soros
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> he has done all he promised Yes, he closed all those tax loopholes that he is an expert at exploiting (his words, not mine). He implemented his plan to win the war in Afghanistan. The wall along the border of Mexico is 30 feet tall and beautiful and Mexico paid for it. The opioid problem has been solved. He has released his tax returns. He has put his assets in a blind trust. He has Made America Great Again.
He may not have done everything he promised, but as someone who isn't a big fan, he has probably delivered on more promises than most presidents.
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Your comment is quite far off from reality. To address your first point: he started the company deliberately. He had sold a successful company before Facebook. He also turned down multi-billion dollar acquisition offers because he knew exactly what he was doing and what the opportunity was. Many of the funding rounds for FB were red hot and everyone was trying to get in. And to your second point: what he built is unp…
What business did he sell before Facebook?
Re: Sheryl Sandberg Is Said to Have Asked Facebook Staff to Research George Soros
#74>told subordinates to examine why Mr. Soros had criticized the tech companies and whether he stood to gain financially from the attacks. Well, he is an investor who has a history of causing financial damage to whole countries by betting against their currencies. So, it shouldn't be surprising FB would want to know what might be in store for them if he went nuclear on them. What is surprising is the odd bedfellows of…
Later, she claimed the investigation turned up emails about Facebook's deceptive practices that "crossed her desk" [2], but made it sound like her involvement was peripheral and incidental.
Naturally, now we learn those were all lies, and she was personally involved the entire time actually leading the effort.
Just more Delay, Deny and Deflect.
Facebook cannot be trusted to fix Facebook.
[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/technology/facebook-data-...
[2] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/22/business/on-thanksgiving-...
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Is Facebook actually well run? Or just fortunate in its timing in the market? It’s a spectrum, right? Skill and luck. How much of each has contributed to its success?
Did you forget that Facebook used to play David to Myspace's Goliath? There was never any shortage of competitors, and Facebook wasn't the first on the social media scene by any measure. It came out of nowhere and toppled the dominant incumbent, and is still going strong against competition from giants like Google.
Facebook started with Harvard students. Then Boston area colleges, Ivy League, then it was expanded to most universities with a .edu domain. You didn't need invites (Google's preferred method), just to be a member of the right kind of institution. It launched to the public at large in 2006.
Those first couple years, a lot of the use of Facebook was reconnecting with old friends. High school classmates, or if you'd graduated but still had a university email your fellow college classmates. This was a distinct endeavor from Myspace. It was explicitly about connecting people who shared a particular geographic or institutional social context (not any context, school). There were no bands, no autoplaying music. Just you and people you may or may not know connecting to each other.
Now, they obviously intended to grow it into something larger. And they have done a great job with it. Here's the question:
The choice to open it to universities was obviously deliberate, but was the intent to test scaling Facebook or to create an initial critical mass of likeminded, like-aged individuals?
My wager is on the former, though I could be proven wrong. That initial smaller but focused group is what allowed them to successfully compete.
Luck: They stumbled onto a successful model for building a from-scratch social network with their focused approach.
Skill: They intended to be focused on college-aged students believing it would build their critical mass social network more effectively.
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> Well, he is an investor who has a history of causing financial damage to whole countries by betting against their currencies Whole countries? I have heard of only one - the infamous british pound. And that too it caused the GBP rates to fall but then financial damage to Britian as a country? What is your source exactly?
Bank of Thailand: https://www.businessinsider.com/how-george-soros-broke-the-b... Soros wasn’t alone, but the hedges funds certainly helped crush Thailand in 1997, triggering the Asian financial crisis. It’s not a stretch to suggest that his massive funding of political groups in countries in which he has bet against the currency is connected.
Yet Soros wasn't the biggest single speculator to hold a position against the currency. Julian Robertson's Tiger Fund had three times the exposure of Soros with almost $3 billion bet against the baht. If anything, Julian Robertson would have been more motivated to engineer Thailand's decline.
It seems there were only rumors that Soros had anything to do with it, all the while someone else was more profitable than him. And given that he was already famous for the GBP trade why not blame him?
What is interesting is that people don't seem to understand the consequences of pegs. It is much easier to paint a picture of greedy investor. But in most cases it has nothing to do with the investor and all up to the central banks. Something similar happened in the swiss franc and here's what happened to Soros:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-23/how-swiss-national...
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You are spot on and we see the results of very poorly managed company...
I don’t think a lot of poorly managed companies even get to a $1b valuation. Easy to be an armchair quarterback. One could argue that it’s been one of the beat managed companies and like most companies it faces ups and downs.
I think any product can become valuable depending on how you market it to your targeted users. FB is said to be somewhere you can go to be with friends and family; share memories, no matter where you are. If we’re going to ignore all of the ads and data mining going on behind the scenes, it’s easy to say that FB is doing a good for society. But it has its flaws.
Just earlier on HN there was a link about FB possibly selling user data. We have the Cambridge Analytica mess from the election.
Zuckerburg is smart when it comes to programming and tech, but running a company ethically is a different ballgame and that is the problem a lot of people have with his company. Nobody is saying he’s doing a bad job at building the product. He’s doing a bad job of managing the trust his users put into him when they use his service every single day.
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Which outrage are you referring to? I didn't see any in the article. It seemed pretty even keeled.
I think the outrage is implicit in the the publication of the article. Why is this in the New York Times? He criticized the company, she asked is he had a financial interest behind the criticism. Okay? Why is this a story?
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Well, he is an investor who has a history of causing financial damage to whole countries by betting against their currencies. When the UK government made a commitment to prop up a fake GBP exchange rate and then failed, isn't it the UK government that caused the financial damage rather than George Soros?
sounds similar to when the US was on the gold standard