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Twilight of the Taj Mahal

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Re: Twilight of the Taj Mahal

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Though maintenance is an issue, I’ve been told another issue is craftsmanship. It was slapped together by slaves to serve as a tomb for the third wife of an emperor who had a harem of 2000 women yet saw it fit to drag his favorite into the battlefield for his comfort (she succumbed to complications bearing no. 14 in the 19th year of her marriage). They might as well let it crumble. It's a grotesque monument which tou…

This is idiotic comment at some level, sorry to say.

Any historical monument should be preserved not only because it is beautiful but because it captures history. It is the history which is not written in textbooks, it is the history which is right in front of you to see.

Taj is just a building but it tells so many stories about architecture, mogul empire, passion and what not.

Re: Twilight of the Taj Mahal

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"Incredible India", as the country's tourism slogan claims, is fast disappearing. I know this may get downvoted by fans of India, but I'm just saying it as I see it. If it matters, I'm of Indian origin too. First of all, India has everything it needs to be amazing. A young workforce, driven, technical people, a nice selection of flourishing industries, bucket loads of natural resources and abundant sources of renewab…

I agree. I am a resident Indian who has lived and travelled outside.

But what you have described - the ruthlessness - is universal. In EU, SG, JP, SK, AU, UK etc and yes of course definitely in USA. Just that that ruthlessness is garbed in nicer clothes there.

In India medical sector pushing families to bankruptcy is seen as ruthlessness and abroad it’s called “oh, they didn’t have (the right) medical insurance” among many things. It becomes process, it becomes something of a “technical” aspect and it’s conveniently brushed aside as not being a social issue at all. Both are horrible.

And oh yes, the rich and the privileged are fine everywhere. They have passion, they have an unflinching desire to help others.

A rich friend of mine (from a boarding school I was in on a scholarship) used to volunteer in Africa during her college breaks. The expense was born by her father of course and the expense of one summer would often be more than what was my yearly salary for couple of years initially in my career.

What you see is not crumbling culture of India. Because if we go with this definition towards any change then every culture is constantly crumbling. What it is, I’d say, is rapid change in every aspect of this country. People rapidly trying to come out of poverty, trying to get big, and bigger.

I don’t claim to understand all this, because I don’t. This is too complex of a topic (a bunch of topics really) to be explained in a matter of a comment. I often see many nuances of this place, which are not even nuances to us, missed when seen from a romantically nostalgic lenses.

As for the Taj itself it’s a victim of a melee of things ranging for religious politics to rampant corruption. A lot of people in the current state and central Govt would rather see it razed to the ground and I’m not exaggerating. There’s been precedence for such phenomena in our country. And the experience of Taj, at least for me, has been filthy, crowded, smelly, hurried, and anything but romantic. It’s far from what all see in the glorified pictures when, usually when world leaders visit, probably the entire place is off limits for public and the compound was made photo ready just for the show.

Re: Twilight of the Taj Mahal

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>While I was in Delhi about 2 weeks ago, my father asked me to advise the 17 year old son of one of his employees. I met the guy - a studious, fiercly competitive lad, but pleasant nonetheless. He wanted to become a doctor; I asked him "why a doctor?". His response was that he could make a lot of money in that field, specifically because people come to you when they're in need and in trouble. I then asked him "What a…

I am 37 year old Indian. I find it actually crazy that a 17 year old guy is solely driven by only money . I always have this impression that kids are usually driven more by interest. But maybe it is only me.

Maybe money is that teenager’s interest.

He has probably already seen everything he wants for himself or hopes his family to have comes with a lot money. He has, as he is 17, already experienced his one clean shot at one of those things being within his reach is one of those backbreaking and ruthlessly competitive entrance exams for which he has been probably preparing since class 8-9.

Re: Twilight of the Taj Mahal

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It's crazy to me that if we disregard all of the historical importance, the government still doesn't have the foresight to invest in maintaining it's number one tourist destination in the country. However, I fear throwing money at the problem is a temporary solution for the actual structure where fixing the surrounding pollution is more important.

Money is thrown at issues in India when there’s a direct individual (or a few) beneficiary from that money throwing and the solving of that problem was not even the last point on the agenda.

So I’ll present an example. Let’s talk about a 10km road that needs repair. The discussion would start at points like how much the contractors would make, what will be the cut of tie engineer, chief engineer, MLA, MP, district administration if they are involved. Whether a cut has to go to the CM too? Or tje party fund. Things of practical interests.

How strong the road will be, how safe it would be, quality assurance etc are a matter of formality and routine which also ensures there’s another repair after a year or two and everyone is happy again.

However if the intention is to really solve a problem then it takes years - committee after committee, studies after studies - became no one is interested.

Re: Twilight of the Taj Mahal

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post #10

"Incredible India", as the country's tourism slogan claims, is fast disappearing. I know this may get downvoted by fans of India, but I'm just saying it as I see it. If it matters, I'm of Indian origin too. First of all, India has everything it needs to be amazing. A young workforce, driven, technical people, a nice selection of flourishing industries, bucket loads of natural resources and abundant sources of renewab…

I agree. I am a resident Indian who has lived and travelled outside. But what you have described - the ruthlessness - is universal. In EU, SG, JP, SK, AU, UK etc and yes of course definitely in USA. Just that that ruthlessness is garbed in nicer clothes there. In India medical sector pushing families to bankruptcy is seen as ruthlessness and abroad it’s called “oh, they didn’t have (the right) medical insurance” amon…

> But what you have described - the ruthlessness - is universal. In EU, SG, JP, SK, AU, UK etc ... abroad it’s called “oh, they didn’t have (the right) medical insurance” among many things

This doesn’t match my experience of “free at point of use” systems at all. I would be curious to hear more about how you’ve come to this conclusion

Re: Twilight of the Taj Mahal

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>While I was in Delhi about 2 weeks ago, my father asked me to advise the 17 year old son of one of his employees. I met the guy - a studious, fiercly competitive lad, but pleasant nonetheless. He wanted to become a doctor; I asked him "why a doctor?". His response was that he could make a lot of money in that field, specifically because people come to you when they're in need and in trouble. I then asked him "What a…

I don't disagree with you, however, the individual in my story was not "poor" - he was part of India's middle class. His father was being paid reasonably well at my dad's firm for the last 20+ years.

So, while his father was being paid reasonably well according to you - he is employed by your father's firm, which leads me to believe you grew up with considerably more resources to be able to pursue your passions then the child in question. As such, the argument still applies that not everyone has an ability or an opportunity to pursue their passions.

Re: Twilight of the Taj Mahal

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It might be under-repaired, but entering "Taj Mahal maintenance" into Google shows there are tons of travel articles on their maintenance efforts, and which parts will be under repair when. It seems a bit questionable that this is totally omitted.

Re: Twilight of the Taj Mahal

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post #10

"Incredible India", as the country's tourism slogan claims, is fast disappearing. I know this may get downvoted by fans of India, but I'm just saying it as I see it. If it matters, I'm of Indian origin too. First of all, India has everything it needs to be amazing. A young workforce, driven, technical people, a nice selection of flourishing industries, bucket loads of natural resources and abundant sources of renewab…

indian here, it always amazes me how people can suppress their frustration while articulating a problem.your comment was on point.

Re: Twilight of the Taj Mahal

#30
post #10

"Incredible India", as the country's tourism slogan claims, is fast disappearing. I know this may get downvoted by fans of India, but I'm just saying it as I see it. If it matters, I'm of Indian origin too. First of all, India has everything it needs to be amazing. A young workforce, driven, technical people, a nice selection of flourishing industries, bucket loads of natural resources and abundant sources of renewab…

I agree. I am a resident Indian who has lived and travelled outside. But what you have described - the ruthlessness - is universal. In EU, SG, JP, SK, AU, UK etc and yes of course definitely in USA. Just that that ruthlessness is garbed in nicer clothes there. In India medical sector pushing families to bankruptcy is seen as ruthlessness and abroad it’s called “oh, they didn’t have (the right) medical insurance” amon…

Disagree. The NHS in the UK is free. And they don't stop till you're either better or dead. The US health system is messy, but that's no example to go by.

In India, they're not just nitpicking your insurance policy, but doing underhand things like pumping warm water into clinically dead victims to give their families false hope, so they keep paying the ICU fees (anecdote from a friend - he was eventually alerted to this hogwash by an upstanding admin clerk in the hospital).

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