A new look for rust-lang.org • Hacker News Board

Re: A new look for rust-lang.org

#61

Post by vtesucks » Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 2:09 AM UTC

steveklabnik wrote: post #57

mwcampbell wrote: post #56

I'm disappointed that the Rust community is moving from open IRC to proprietary Discord. Sure, people think IRC is archaic, but for them, the Discourse-based forum is plenty modern, isn't it? The fact that Discord is proprietary means that people aren't free to use any alternative client they want. This is especially problematic for people who aren't well served by the official client, e.g. blind people.

Discourse is for async communication, you need both. We love open source, but it’s one of many options to weigh. They’re also a production user of Rust, which is a pro. It’s not that there are no cons, of course... there’s just really no perfect option in this space.

I just want to say that if and if not you're the PR guy for rust, you're doing a great job.

Rust is a well thought language and while I don't agree with the redesign, I like that you bring the thoughtfulness to the non-language component as well.

I enjoy your blog posts.

Ps: Your parent comment was opposed to discord not discourse.

Re: A new look for rust-lang.org

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Post by mwcampbell » Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 2:12 AM UTC

vtesucks wrote: post #61

steveklabnik wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Discourse is for async communication, you need both. We love open source, but it’s one of many options to weigh. They’re also a production user of Rust, which is a pro. It’s not that there are no cons, of course... there’s just really no perfect option in this space.

I just want to say that if and if not you're the PR guy for rust, you're doing a great job. Rust is a well thought language and while I don't agree with the redesign, I like that you bring the thoughtfulness to the non-language component as well. I enjoy your blog posts. Ps: Your parent comment was opposed to discord not discourse.

I don't think Steve got Discord and Discourse mixed up. I did suggest that people who won't get on IRC could use Discourse instead, but Steve rightly pointed out that they're different.

Maybe Gitter instead of Discord? After GitLab acquired Gitter, they open-sourced it.

Re: A new look for rust-lang.org

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Post by detaro » Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 2:14 AM UTC

The content changes make a lot of sense (even though I'm not a fan of a screenful of "testimonials"), but the design feels dated, and not in the good way, like a bad kind of pseudo-retro :/

Re: A new look for rust-lang.org

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Post by shmerl » Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 2:20 AM UTC

I like the design of Haxe front page: https://haxe.org

It explains both what it is and how it can be used, with a simple (but not oversimplified) presentation. It has a code sample too.

It's better to keep the the code sample on the Rust site as well.

Re: A new look for rust-lang.org

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Post by steveklabnik » Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 2:21 AM UTC

vtesucks wrote: post #61

steveklabnik wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Discourse is for async communication, you need both. We love open source, but it’s one of many options to weigh. They’re also a production user of Rust, which is a pro. It’s not that there are no cons, of course... there’s just really no perfect option in this space.

I just want to say that if and if not you're the PR guy for rust, you're doing a great job. Rust is a well thought language and while I don't agree with the redesign, I like that you bring the thoughtfulness to the non-language component as well. I enjoy your blog posts. Ps: Your parent comment was opposed to discord not discourse.

My job is documentation, but I've always advocated for things I work on, believe in, and enjoy.

Thanks.

(and my sibling is right, they suggested that those who don't like IRC could use Discourse instead.)

Re: A new look for rust-lang.org

#66

Post by steveklabnik » Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 2:21 AM UTC

mwcampbell wrote: post #62

vtesucks wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just want to say that if and if not you're the PR guy for rust, you're doing a great job. Rust is a well thought language and while I don't agree with the redesign, I like that you bring the thoughtfulness to the non-language component as well. I enjoy your blog posts. Ps: Your parent comment was opposed to discord not discourse.

I don't think Steve got Discord and Discourse mixed up. I did suggest that people who won't get on IRC could use Discourse instead, but Steve rightly pointed out that they're different. Maybe Gitter instead of Discord? After GitLab acquired Gitter, they open-sourced it.

We had a bad experience with Gitter, and so decided against it.

Re: A new look for rust-lang.org

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Post by Insanity » Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 2:23 AM UTC

I prefered the old slogan. It actually told me a bit about the language and made me curious to pick it up.

The new slogan does not do that for me. But I might not be their main target - I like programming languages for the code itself and not the applications/domains where I can use it.

The website didn't need a redesign either imo, but it is better than the changed slogan.

Re: A new look for rust-lang.org

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Post by shmerl » Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 2:27 AM UTC

steveklabnik wrote: post #57

mwcampbell wrote: post #56

I'm disappointed that the Rust community is moving from open IRC to proprietary Discord. Sure, people think IRC is archaic, but for them, the Discourse-based forum is plenty modern, isn't it? The fact that Discord is proprietary means that people aren't free to use any alternative client they want. This is especially problematic for people who aren't well served by the official client, e.g. blind people.

Discourse is for async communication, you need both. We love open source, but it’s one of many options to weigh. They’re also a production user of Rust, which is a pro. It’s not that there are no cons, of course... there’s just really no perfect option in this space.

> I'm disappointed that the Rust community is moving from open IRC to proprietary Discord.

Surprising indeed. Why not to Matrix?

Re: A new look for rust-lang.org

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Post by steveklabnik » Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 2:34 AM UTC

vtesucks wrote: post #58

andrepd wrote: post #52

They have a clean, effective website. It has a pleasing look, and mostly it's just what a webpage should be, after all: a document. Text, images, an interactive code editor. Some CSS to make it look pleasing and readable. A navbar at the top. It works, it is pleasing to the eye, it communicates what it what it is meant to communicate and links to 4 important sections of the website. Wait, let's throw all that away an…

I don't want rust cool and popular, I want it well designed.

These things do not have to be at odds.

Re: A new look for rust-lang.org

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Post by keyle » Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 2:35 AM UTC

andrepd wrote: post #52

They have a clean, effective website. It has a pleasing look, and mostly it's just what a webpage should be, after all: a document. Text, images, an interactive code editor. Some CSS to make it look pleasing and readable. A navbar at the top. It works, it is pleasing to the eye, it communicates what it what it is meant to communicate and links to 4 important sections of the website. Wait, let's throw all that away an…

I agree, as a long time designer and as a prospective user, it's godawfully puke worthy.

Classic case of "my nephew can do it with paint shop pro".