Live data from Hacker News

Stop TSA Scanners

stoptsascanners.blogspot.com

31–36 of 36 posts

Re: Stop TSA Scanners

#31
post #29
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have every right not to fly. So it's not about power and control.

If I can drive to my destination within about 10 to 12 hours then I'll avoid flying. I'm a pilot and love aviation, so this is a real downer for me. And BTW, here in SoCal we can't drive anywhere without encountering those interior "border" checkpoints, where the CBP guards do all they can to routinely circumvent the 4th. Just like TSA. And please tell me what it is about! Security???

Security???

Yes, I think that's the point. Or politics if you're cynical, which I might agree with.

Sorry for my brevity, I may have come across the wrong way. What I mean is that this measure doesn't take away control over of person. It's voluntary, just as with a EULA. You could, I guess, argue that EULAs are immoral because they take away your freedoms, but I don't hold that view.

Strictly interpreted my second sentence is trivially false; this whole thing is about controlling the ability of people to take weapons on planes, so let me refine my statement: it's not about power and control over the visibility of your genitalia, which follows from the fact that you still have control over it.

What something is 'about' is a stupid semantic point, and not really worth arguing. More interesting is what it does. Money is spent, TSA officers see through your clothes, you are to some extent hindered from bringing weapons on planes. I consider the seeing through clothes part as the least important term in the equation, hence my confusion and the massive argument.

Just wondering, what kind of security checks do certified pilots have to go through before flying?

Re: Stop TSA Scanners

#32
post #29
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have every right not to fly. So it's not about power and control.

If I can drive to my destination within about 10 to 12 hours then I'll avoid flying. I'm a pilot and love aviation, so this is a real downer for me. And BTW, here in SoCal we can't drive anywhere without encountering those interior "border" checkpoints, where the CBP guards do all they can to routinely circumvent the 4th. Just like TSA. And please tell me what it is about! Security???

Security???

Yes, I think that's the point. Or politics if you're cynical, which I might agree with.

Sorry for my brevity, I may have come across the wrong way. What I mean is that this measure doesn't take away control over of person. It's voluntary, just as with a EULA. You could, I guess, argue that EULAs are immoral because they take away your freedoms, but I don't hold that view.

Strictly interpreted my second sentence is trivially false; this whole thing is about controlling the ability of people to take weapons on planes, so let me refine my statement: it's not about power and control over the visibility of your genitalia, which follows from the fact that you still have control over it.

What something is 'about' is a stupid semantic point, and not really worth arguing. More interesting is what it does. Money is spent, TSA officers see through your clothes, you are to some extent hindered from bringing weapons on planes. I consider the seeing through clothes part as the least important term in the equation, hence my confusion and the massive argument.

Just wondering, what kind of security checks do certified pilots have to go through before flying?

Re: Stop TSA Scanners

#33
post #29
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have every right not to fly. So it's not about power and control.

If I can drive to my destination within about 10 to 12 hours then I'll avoid flying. I'm a pilot and love aviation, so this is a real downer for me. And BTW, here in SoCal we can't drive anywhere without encountering those interior "border" checkpoints, where the CBP guards do all they can to routinely circumvent the 4th. Just like TSA. And please tell me what it is about! Security???

Oops, sorry about the triple post. Not sure what happened there.

Re: Stop TSA Scanners

#34
post #30
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I can drive to my destination within about 10 to 12 hours then I'll avoid flying. I'm a pilot and love aviation, so this is a real downer for me. And BTW, here in SoCal we can't drive anywhere without encountering those interior "border" checkpoints, where the CBP guards do all they can to routinely circumvent the 4th. Just like TSA. And please tell me what it is about! Security???

Security??? Yes, I think that's the point. Or politics if you're cynical, which I might agree with. Sorry for my brevity, I may have come across the wrong way. What I mean is that this measure doesn't take away control over of person. It's voluntary, just as with a EULA. You could, I guess, argue that EULAs are immoral because they take away your freedoms, but I don't hold that view. Strictly interpreted my second se…

I already said it's not about the nudity. Please understand that some of us are vehemently opposed to ant sort of unnecessary radiation. Besides that, the privacy issue is big for me. Anyway, thanks.

Re: Stop TSA Scanners

#35
post #34
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Security??? Yes, I think that's the point. Or politics if you're cynical, which I might agree with. Sorry for my brevity, I may have come across the wrong way. What I mean is that this measure doesn't take away control over of person. It's voluntary, just as with a EULA. You could, I guess, argue that EULAs are immoral because they take away your freedoms, but I don't hold that view. Strictly interpreted my second se…

I already said it's not about the nudity. Please understand that some of us are vehemently opposed to ant sort of unnecessary radiation. Besides that, the privacy issue is big for me. Anyway, thanks.

Same reasoning applies.

Re: Stop TSA Scanners

#36
post #4

Forget about being seen naked. The bigger issue is that it's all security theater and does little to actually make us safer, yet it costs us an extraordinary amount in cost and lost time.

does little to actually make us safer Evidence? (or reasoning)

If you have the technology to make a bomb, just take it somewhere else crowded that's less defended. Or do something like the D.C. sniper did years ago.

If you calculate the lost man hours of productivity on airport security, we're getting killed everyday.

There are definitely ways to avoid this, but it's probably best discussed outside this forum.

Post reply on HN