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U.S. Life Expectancy Falls Further

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Re: U.S. Life Expectancy Falls Further

#91

The opioid epidemic is an amazing example of human psychology and the power of a visual. More people die from it every year than Vietnam, yet there's been no large public outcry to resolve the situation because it isn't right in your face like a 9/11 or pearl harbor. Even ignoring the human impact and just going to economics, those lost lives will cost the US billions in lost productivity over time, yet nobody really…

This seems like a prevailing attitude, but I think it is based on a debunked thought processes.

People used to think that heroin or other substances were inherently addictive in and of themselves. This was because of experiments on mice in Skinner boxes. But that is not how addiction works. Addiction is, in great measure, the result of animals being unhappy and trying to do something about it.

This has been proven both in humans and in mice. Mice, and humans, generally don't get addicted when they have good things to do.

To focus on the opioid side of our social dysfunction is just as useless as focusing on any other SYMPTOM of dysfunction.

When I hear people talking about how horrible the epidemic is, I can't stop helping thinking of a flu analogy:

This sniffling epidemic is really terrible. We should ban sniffling because sniffling people suffer, we need to protect them* if they sniffle. But let's not worry about people washing their hands... that's unrelated.

* Generally implied is that by protecting people it means putting people in cages if they disobey our social commands.

Re: U.S. Life Expectancy Falls Further

#92

The opioid epidemic is an amazing example of human psychology and the power of a visual. More people die from it every year than Vietnam, yet there's been no large public outcry to resolve the situation because it isn't right in your face like a 9/11 or pearl harbor. Even ignoring the human impact and just going to economics, those lost lives will cost the US billions in lost productivity over time, yet nobody really…

More people die from it every year than Vietnam [Kind of off-topic] I'm guessing you mean by 'than Vietnam', 'than Americans died in the Vietnam war"? (Well I think so. Apologies if not.) That's a pretty macabre unit. Can you imagine how a Vietnamese person would feel reading that? Maybe in Vietnam they say 'More people die from [something] every year than America' - meaning what they call the American War[0]. Wouldn…

They are just using synecdoche. From the context of the comment and the shared culture of the audience people can understand what they are talking about. It's no different than how people in America know that if you talk about changes in government policy after "nine eleven" you mean the terrorist attacks not the sports car.

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#93

Drug overdose and abuse seem to me to be a symptom of something way more troubling. I can't help but feel like there is a sense of uselessness felt by and toward a large population in the US and rather than lift them up we are letting them be snuffed out.

> uselessness Also see anomie [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomie

Never heard of this but it definitely resonates.

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Someone replied to you with an ignorant comment that was deleted. I'm copy/pasting it here anyway because they are spewing common misconceptions that need to be squashed. > The US has 330 million people. Do we really care if a bunch self-select out of the gene pool? While some people do choose to use drugs with their own free will, this epidemic isn't about that. Many people getting addicted have been initially presc…

Seems their comment is gone too. I’d love to have been given the chance to downvote them. To me this all boils down to what you’re saying, but I’d like to just add mention that i think the bigger disease in the US that enables situations like this is the acceptance of misinformation. As you pointed out, many many many of these cases are started by a medically issued prescription, and it kills multiple times more peop…

> i think the bigger disease in the US that enables situations like this is the acceptance of misinformation.

It's amazing how many Americans are actually proud of their ignorance.

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post #78

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Seems their comment is gone too. I’d love to have been given the chance to downvote them. To me this all boils down to what you’re saying, but I’d like to just add mention that i think the bigger disease in the US that enables situations like this is the acceptance of misinformation. As you pointed out, many many many of these cases are started by a medically issued prescription, and it kills multiple times more peop…

>"In the very near future when climate change has destroyed out planet" Maybe people are killing themselves because they are addicted to the fear porn spread by mainstream/social media regarding "climate change". I don't mean this as a joke, I was addicted to financial/economic fear porn for a bit and it did have a negative effect on my outlook.

Climate change is on track to cause catastrophic damage in the next few decades AND there is no indication of anything being seriously done about this. In other words, a train is barrelling and, crucially, there are no signs of anyone intending to stop it. Yeah, I think it's justified to be scared.

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> The decline is mostly the product of an increase in drug overdose and suicides The US is pretty much also the only country where suicides are increasing.

Suicide rates in several other developed nations are either higher or compable to the US. Things must be really, really bad in Belgium, Finland and Iceland eh (you know, just three of the nicest countries on Earth). How could Sweden, France and Australia be anywhere near the US rate? Suicide rates in order per 100k: South Korea 20.2, Belgium 15.7, Japan 14.3, Finland 13.8, US 13.3, Iceland 13.3, France 12.1, Sweden 1…

Belgium has decriminalized euthanasia, maybe that plays a role...

Re: U.S. Life Expectancy Falls Further

#97

The opioid epidemic is an amazing example of human psychology and the power of a visual. More people die from it every year than Vietnam, yet there's been no large public outcry to resolve the situation because it isn't right in your face like a 9/11 or pearl harbor. Even ignoring the human impact and just going to economics, those lost lives will cost the US billions in lost productivity over time, yet nobody really…

More people die from it every year than Vietnam [Kind of off-topic] I'm guessing you mean by 'than Vietnam', 'than Americans died in the Vietnam war"? (Well I think so. Apologies if not.) That's a pretty macabre unit. Can you imagine how a Vietnamese person would feel reading that? Maybe in Vietnam they say 'More people die from [something] every year than America' - meaning what they call the American War[0]. Wouldn…

I'm downvoting because you are getting offended for others (I'm assuming you are not Vietnamese). Avoiding common expressions because you are trying to guess that someone might be offended is going too far in caring and politeness.

ps. You could also use car deaths per year (somewhat similar number) but then anyone who has lost relatives in car accidents might get offended by using these macabre numbers.

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#98

The opioid epidemic is an amazing example of human psychology and the power of a visual. More people die from it every year than Vietnam, yet there's been no large public outcry to resolve the situation because it isn't right in your face like a 9/11 or pearl harbor. Even ignoring the human impact and just going to economics, those lost lives will cost the US billions in lost productivity over time, yet nobody really…

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#99

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> The decline is mostly the product of an increase in drug overdose and suicides The US is pretty much also the only country where suicides are increasing.

Suicide rates in several other developed nations are either higher or compable to the US. Things must be really, really bad in Belgium, Finland and Iceland eh (you know, just three of the nicest countries on Earth). How could Sweden, France and Australia be anywhere near the US rate? Suicide rates in order per 100k: South Korea 20.2, Belgium 15.7, Japan 14.3, Finland 13.8, US 13.3, Iceland 13.3, France 12.1, Sweden 1…

I think it is rate of change which has people concerned. The rate of suicide in the US is up 25% in the last 15 years.

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People have gone to a lot of effort to convince their fellow Americans that those that die from opioids deserve it. I'm sure some will turn up in this thread.

"Deserve" is going overboard, but there's certainly a moral difference between something that happens due to one's own choices, vs. something that happens because it was compelled. It's reasonable have more sympathy for a conscripted soldier killed in a foreign war he had no desire to fight in than an opioid addict that died from a result of choosing to do drugs.

Of course, someone could be both. Veterans have elevated risks of both drug use (often related to injuries) and suicide due to PTSD.

https://centerstone.org/news-events/news/opioid-crisis-impac...

The permanent war has long term casualties.

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