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U.S. Life Expectancy Falls Further

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Can someone explain the link of the lowered life expectancy to flu and pneumonia? I thought that these were deceases that were only fatal for people with compromised immunity.

If you get the flu as a healthy adult, you're statistically likely to be fine, but you absolutely may die, especially with some of the nastier strains.

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#42
post #20

(On edit: below comment is retracted. At least for 2015 to 2016, the decline is not attributable to Simpson's paradox. See Table 4 in the CDC report linked below.) This is either incompetence or maliciousness on behalf of the CDC, WSJ, or both. Life expectancy in the US is falling, but it's only falling due to Simpson's Paradox [1]. The CDC's own data [2] shows life expectancy increasing for all genders and races exc…

Looking at Fig. 5 you can clearly see that peak life expectancy for Non Hispanic white males occurs around 2010 then flatlines and finally heads down.

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#43
post #20

(On edit: below comment is retracted. At least for 2015 to 2016, the decline is not attributable to Simpson's paradox. See Table 4 in the CDC report linked below.) This is either incompetence or maliciousness on behalf of the CDC, WSJ, or both. Life expectancy in the US is falling, but it's only falling due to Simpson's Paradox [1]. The CDC's own data [2] shows life expectancy increasing for all genders and races exc…

Not sure why you are getting downvoted. It is certainly possible this is just an artifact of changing demographics, or even adoption of ICD-10. It could even be that birth records are becoming more reliable than in the past so people are not overstating their age as much (eg, to collect social security).

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#44

The opioid epidemic is an amazing example of human psychology and the power of a visual. More people die from it every year than Vietnam, yet there's been no large public outcry to resolve the situation because it isn't right in your face like a 9/11 or pearl harbor. Even ignoring the human impact and just going to economics, those lost lives will cost the US billions in lost productivity over time, yet nobody really…

The US has 330 million people. Do we really care if a bunch self-select out of the gene pool?

The only way I would care is if I found out that a foreign power was behind this, i.e. getting people addicted to deadly substances in order to undermine our country. If it's just jackass flunkies doing it because they're jackass flunkies, then I'm just glad they aren't on the highways.

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#45
post #8

Can someone explain the link of the lowered life expectancy to flu and pneumonia? I thought that these were deceases that were only fatal for people with compromised immunity.

Wow, maybe (not being sarcastic) eating a monocultured food diet and living as sedate humans in sterile environments has a bigger effect on our immune systems than we'd like. This must have been measured? Compare immunity in farmers vs office workers or some such?

I'd have thought, if anything, that a farmer living in a rural environment saw less exposure to (human) diseases than an office worker in an urban environment. They have far less exposure to _people_, after all, and people are generally the main carriers.

Also, basically no-one works in a sterile environment. There's a reason that so many places have hand sanitiser dispensers.

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#46
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does that compare to other countries with changing racial composition? What has happened to black men to cause their life expectancy to fall?

A sharp rise in police killing unarmed black men, I'd wager.

AFAIK, there's been a sharp rise in people who aren't black noticing that, not a sharp rise in the underlying phenomenon.

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#47
post #20

(On edit: below comment is retracted. At least for 2015 to 2016, the decline is not attributable to Simpson's paradox. See Table 4 in the CDC report linked below.) This is either incompetence or maliciousness on behalf of the CDC, WSJ, or both. Life expectancy in the US is falling, but it's only falling due to Simpson's Paradox [1]. The CDC's own data [2] shows life expectancy increasing for all genders and races exc…

That's not my takeaway from Figure 5. The curve for "Non-Hispanic white male" seems to be dipping downward since 2014, and "non-Hispanic white female" appears to either also be decreasing or at best flatlining.

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Drug overdose and abuse seem to me to be a symptom of something way more troubling. I can't help but feel like there is a sense of uselessness felt by and toward a large population in the US and rather than lift them up we are letting them be snuffed out.

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#49
post #9

I think we've reached the point of diminishing marginal returns to health care spending. That means when we spend more money on healthcare as a percent of GDP, life expectancy starts to fall. We are already at 16% of GDP spent on healthcare. That's double the amount that any other country spends on healthcare. We also have worse life expectancy vs. countries that spend much less as a percent of GDP than we do. One of…

US healthcare outcomes in most areas aren't actually particularly good, though (iirc, it does reasonably well on cancer, but is under par on most other stuff). The US healthcare system is expensive because it's inefficient.

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#50
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, maybe (not being sarcastic) eating a monocultured food diet and living as sedate humans in sterile environments has a bigger effect on our immune systems than we'd like. This must have been measured? Compare immunity in farmers vs office workers or some such?

I think you underestimate the amount of bad health environments there are in cities (anecdotal evidence only). I would not call most cities or working environments anywhere close to sterile.

To be honest, nobody is talking about very deadly exposure to pesticides in farmers populations. There actually have been papers published on that. While living outside a big city might be on average better for you, being a farmer is probably not.
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