One of the main problems with the educational system is that students are evaluated by the same person that teaches them. If the teacher wasn’t the one grading the mean grade of the students would be a decent evaluation of the performance of teacher.
Students Evaluating Teachers Doesn’t Just Hurt Teachers, It Hurts Students
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#172There's a much better way to hold educators to account - have other educators sit in on classes. But this is often very strongly resisted, apparently it's 'unprofessional'.
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#173> "A teacher (also called a school teacher or, in some contexts, an educator) is a person who helps others to acquire knowledge, competences or values." The target audience is a crucial part of the feedback loop. Removing the students from the equation sounds counter intuitive. What are the proposed alternative metrics? Who delivers the feedback? And what is the feedback based on, if not on the direct opinions of the…
I think the main idea here is that student evaluations only make sense if we assume that students are actually interested in acquiring knowledge, competences, or values, however if their main aim in a course is a good grade then their evaluations suddenly hold little value since they will rate "easy" instructors highest.
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#174As someone who had a teacher who literally was tenured, had the absolute worst reviews ever on the website and wherever, literally recorded his lectures once and now goes to lectures just to answer questions (which btw he barely answers em he sometimes just posts to the lecture video) I strongly feel evaluating teachers is a necessary thing.
I would imagine a truly poor teacher would standout for the number of unsolicited complaints.
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#175We pushed very hard at my alma mater to publicize course/teacher evaluations. We eventually got the University to accept iff a minimum participation rate was met (on a per course basis-- so it wasn't all or nothing. We'd get a subset of the data when enough participation occurred. We considered this reasonable, since if very few students participate, the data isn't all that meaningful). Regarding professors wanting t…
How the university thinks they can claim ownership of data that come's from students I will never understand.
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#176It’s too bad, too, because there certainly are criticisms to be made, and this article hints at some of them. But a well designed evaluation instrument along with critical interpretation of the results and comments can be an invaluable tool for instructors who want to improve their teaching.
But unfortunately this article also spreads untruths about the weight given to student evaluations, and dismisses common-sense security protocols like having a student deliver the results instead of the instructor (not perfect of course, but the student has much less incentive to tamper) as demeaning rather than a sensible precaution.
If the author had presented any evidence whatsoever to support her claims linking student evals to grade inflation (possibly related, and I’m sure studies have been done, but evals are very far from the only obvious contributing factor), or even made a passing attempt to explain what percentage of weight is given to raw eval scores for actual tenure considerations (very little in the broad scheme of things), and cut the junk out about how universities seeing students as customers is a new thing (it’s not new at all as any skim of the history of universities as an institution will make clear, but someone at a US state university should realize that it’s skyrocketing tuition rates, and not whiny students, that give students a bigger sense of entitlement) the article would have been much better.
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#177We pushed very hard at my alma mater to publicize course/teacher evaluations. We eventually got the University to accept iff a minimum participation rate was met (on a per course basis-- so it wasn't all or nothing. We'd get a subset of the data when enough participation occurred. We considered this reasonable, since if very few students participate, the data isn't all that meaningful). Regarding professors wanting t…
> Regarding professors wanting to keep review data tightly sealed: in my view, if you can't by public disclosure of your evaluation, then you either don't feel you're meeting expectations, or have no desire to improve in areas where students feel improvement could be made. There is also the third option, which the author is arguing for: that the professors do not think the ratings are an accurate reflection of their…
I've seen courses where the students were memorising MATLAB scripts by rote for exams because almost none of them had sufficient understanding to have any chance of recreating it in the exam. Why? Because rather than teaching this stuff, the lecturer spent several lectures explaining the details of the representation of floating point number (this was a first-year class for math majors, not people doing CS).
But it was hard as student representatives for us to prove any of this, because we didn't have access to feedback responses.
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#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
Says who? Why can't it be used to evaluate my individual learning/effort? Grades only make sense to compare within the same class at the same university during the same semester.
Grades are relative to other people. That's the point of places asking for GPA. If you were just evaluating your effort / learning, your grades could just say "learned a lot" or "made a good effort". But GPA is a way to discriminate between potential candidates for schools/businesses, and thus needs to be quantifiable and comparable.
If a class is filled with C and D students (objectively), the curve will spread them out and those C's become As. If a different class is filled with A and B students, they are spread out and those B's can fail or become C's. Now the first group's curve A's are not as good as the second group's A's, and are, in fact, worse than the second group's F's or C's.
I often set the curve in my classes. I was offered money to not do my best on exams because of how it affected other's grades. My ability or lack there of should not affect another's grade which should reflect their demonstration of subject mastery.
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#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
You’re saying something like Cravath would improve the situation and be fairer assessments than grading on absolute scores. I was in a class where a curve was non-existent - 30% of the class got above 90%, 45% got below 60%. What would be “fair” then? Perhaps methods to decouple evaluation scores from student grades should be better explored without antagonizing anyone? Perhaps scores after the first week should be c…
The answer to your question is that the class in question is a bad class, and needs to be fixed. If 45% of students are failing, then either the class needs to be changed, or more effort needs to be made to prevent students from taking a class that they are likely to fail.
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#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
Studies show that the pay differential for "all but completed degree" and "completed degree" are stark. Researchers have said that this indicates that a large fraction of the "value" of college is just signalling (intelligence, aptitude, diligence), not education. If that's the case, many of the students in your post are right -- just giving them the degree could save them (and the school) a lot of time and money. Ma…
Well, there's a collective action problem there. It's in every student's individual interests for their school's standards for admission and grading to be low, so they can obtain the credential easily. But it's in the student body's _collective_ interests for the school's standards to be high, so the credential retains and improves its signalling value. There's a reason a C- student at Harvard doesn't transfer to a d…
In my experience, exams are often full of ambiguous questions, questions testing knowledge that is not part of the course syllabus, etc.
If the grading was fair, I would agree with you, but it rarely is. And IMO this is what students really hate: they put in a hell of a lot of work. They actually get to grips with the material, and for stupid reasons out of their control they end up with no credit for it.