Magnus Carlsen Beats Fabiano Caruana to Win World Chess Championship

Post by enneff » Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 9:40 PM UTC

dmerrick wrote: post #10

I just want to give a mention to ChessNetwork on Twitch[1]. I watched many of the games of this series live via this channel, and it was great how the commentator had his own board to demonstrate the next few moves and explain the players' thinking. It was really interesting and relaxing. https://www.twitch.tv/chessnetwork

Post by Isofarro » Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 9:42 PM UTC

msbarnett wrote: post #60

mlthoughts2018 wrote: post #46

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You’re dramatically overstating the advantage Carlsen had in Game 12. It was not decisive or obvious in any way and afterwards various engines played out the position to a draw. It might have been possible to win, but it might also have been possible to blunder and miss the chance to go to rapid tie breaks (a format where Carlsen had the advantage). You’re also not doing Caruana justice. He worked Carlsen into badly…

> You’re dramatically overstating the advantage Carlsen had in Game 12. It was not decisive or obvious in any way and afterwards various engines played out the position to a draw. You're misstating the results of the Game 12 replays (see: https://www.chess.com/computer-chess-championship , which is pitting numerous engines against each other in the position at Game 12's resignation). It's currently +3-18=14. That's 3…

Post by [deleted] » Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 9:53 PM UTC

RebeccaHarris wrote: post #65

You may recognize RebeccaHarris from Lichess, but for those who don't: I'm GM Daniel Naroditsky, senior at Stanford and - like all of us - still wrapping my head around the massacre we just witnessed in Rapid. I had a feeling this would happen, though I have gotten the better of Magnus in bullet on Lichess with a mix of wild play and lucky tactics. Speaking of which, I've been involved in beta-testing the killer onli…

Post by ubernostrum » Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 9:56 PM UTC

nevi-me wrote: post #18

drewrv wrote: post #14

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> Carlsen remains the better player, because he does better where it matters; time pressure. I disagree. Carlsen is the better player under time pressure, but they appear evenly matched in what I'd consider "actual" chess. One of the things I love about the game is that it's a slow, pensive game.

Well, their ELOs are just about the same, so I agree with the spirit of your viewpoint. I'd argue that he's better because he has mastered more than just one format. If we have a tie in one category, and one of the players has a strong advantage in another category; then they'll come out as "better".

Post by [deleted] » Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 10:06 PM UTC

polishTar wrote: post #66

mindgam3 wrote: post #45

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I will refute your list of quotes by (again) pointing to the results of the world championships, just concluded. The world crown was lost because Fabiano cracked under time pressure and lost a position in Game 1 of tiebreaks that he easily could have drawn in classical chess. Skill in blitz chess does translate to classical, people. It's not just about developing intuition. It's training your mind to see clearly unde…

I know nothing about chess, but part of your argument in both this post and the one before seems to be "I'm right because my ranking is higher than average". That's a bad way to convince people in general (it relies on appeal to authority, a type of logical fallacy), but since you're insistent on using it, the people quoted above are much stronger authorities and appear to hold the opposite view.