Well, that was completely predictable. It's not obvious to me that any of the Boring Company plans are anything except vaporware.
I'm curious about the continued negativity on this. Hasn't he pretty much accomplished everything he has said? Batteries, cars, solar, space, it's all working.
Boring Co. Drops LA Westside Tunnel Plan
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#62“Brentwood Residents Coalition” just screams NIMBY bullshit to me.
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#63My dad used to work in local government and likes to call the automatic opposition, "People united against anything." Today we call them NIMBYs. California has empowered them in peculiar and powerful ways, as anyone, anywhere, can challenge any project under the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA), which actually supersedes the national version (NEQA).
Fun example of this is John Wayne airport in Orange County pilots do a special takooff involving cutting power to engines to reduce noise for Newport Beach neighborhood below dating back to a lawsuit from the 80s.
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#64My dad used to work in local government and likes to call the automatic opposition, "People united against anything." Today we call them NIMBYs. California has empowered them in peculiar and powerful ways, as anyone, anywhere, can challenge any project under the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA), which actually supersedes the national version (NEQA).
On the other hand not letting anybody do what they want when they feel like it is important if you want to maintain a working society so it's a very tricky balance to maintain. It's probably reasonable for Californian residents not to let anybody dig holes willy-nilly underneath their cities.
That being said the article is pretty thin on details. They mention "a review of its potential environment impact" but don't explain what the problem was exactly, so it's hard for me to form an educated opinion on this particular case.
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#65My dad used to work in local government and likes to call the automatic opposition, "People united against anything." Today we call them NIMBYs. California has empowered them in peculiar and powerful ways, as anyone, anywhere, can challenge any project under the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA), which actually supersedes the national version (NEQA).
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#66well, im not sure where this tunnel would be located BUT if he was digging under my $500,000-1,000,000 residential house (or whatever the prices there are) or my commercial property i sure as hell would sue the billionaire all the way to the bank as well. For him its just "playing games" oh let me dig a tunnel so i can skip the traffic on MY way to work. For me - its my livelihood - house is a single biggest purchase…
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#67“Brentwood Residents Coalition” just screams NIMBY bullshit to me.
would you be ok with tunnel being built under YOUR house (that you own and worked/will be working for for the rest of your life) without consulting with you FIRST?
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#68“Brentwood Residents Coalition” just screams NIMBY bullshit to me.
would you be ok with tunnel being built under YOUR house (that you own and worked/will be working for for the rest of your life) without consulting with you FIRST?
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
Honestly, I cannot help but get frustrated even though I know I shouldn't. How are people rooting against this person? Do they not want space exploration/green technology/incredible cars/transportation innovation/globally accessible satellite internet/self driving cars/etc? I don't even really understand where the hate comes from, because he missed a few deadlines, because he dreams big? I'm sure his critics have mis…
I think a lot of the frustration is that all this tunneling stuff seems like a huge distraction from what we KNOW works. Mixed use development near transit supplemented by a network of bike lanes an 8 or 80 year old would feel safe cycling on. Tunnels aren't magic. Does anyone here think they won't succumb to induced demand just like any other road? Even if they reduce congestion (and they won't - the 405 carpool lan…
If we know it works how come no one has done it? Traffic and congestion is a major issue in basically ever major city in the US (and probably the world), why the hate for attempted innovation?
>The other thing about Elon is that one wonders how many clever people are toiling away on solving the world's problems but can't get attention/funding/support because Elon sucks it all up
Is this really your concern? If anything I'd say he's inspiring many more people to try and tackle hard problems on a major scale. I'm way more frustrated that all the clever people are being sucked up by Facebook and Co to make ads super good and make time-wasters more addictive.
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wonder whether those that were taking the environment in to consideration for the development thought beyond the project to what environmental impacts could be lessened by the project. I'm not a Musk fanboy, but if these tunnels will work the way he's suggesting, the amount of traffic that would be removed from the roads (and by extension, the pollution) would probably be a net benefit to the environment.
Which is the point of an environmental assessment: to look at the benefits and cost to the environment and document the net result. This isn’t about declaring the project a hazard to the environment, this is skipping the process to determine if it is or isn’t a net good.