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Re: Dropping Acid

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Post by new_here »

n4r9 wrote: post #29
neom wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like you really know your house. Not sure if you're musically inclined but if so the OP-1 is a great tool[1][2]. If you ever make it to nyc hit me up, I know James well and I'm sure he'd enjoy your thoughts around E2-E4. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDqThYqldBI [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umatbZ0n4mE

Would you call that house where you're from? I think most people in the UK would pretty quickly say the Göttsching and LCD Soundsystem tracks are techno, and the Phuture track in the article is straight up acid techno. House tends to be lighter, slightly slower and more euphoric, e.g. this I would call acid house: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFhxpMnfHB0 I'm intrigued because I knew an American at uni who insisted…

House originally started out with a faster tempo around 130 BMP which then slowed to 120 BPM over time. The acid sound has more to do with the squelched bass sound produced by the synths being discussed here. So your sample is acid house, just at a slower tempo which wasn't as common with the earlier samples.

Re: Dropping Acid

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Post by otisfunkmeyer »

llamataboot wrote: post #9

As a Midwestern raver in the 90s that was regularly in Detroit, Chicago, and Minneapolis, I love this little history and philosophy piece. I can't quite explain the feeling of the midwestern rave scene in the 90s, but it was very racially diverse, utopian, punk, looking somehow back and forward in time at the same time enmeshed in psychedelics and psychedelia but somehow also part of both machines and cultures far ol…

yah I agree those were definitely good times ;)

Re: Dropping Acid

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Post by coldtea »

n4r9 wrote: post #29
neom wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like you really know your house. Not sure if you're musically inclined but if so the OP-1 is a great tool[1][2]. If you ever make it to nyc hit me up, I know James well and I'm sure he'd enjoy your thoughts around E2-E4. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDqThYqldBI [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umatbZ0n4mE

Would you call that house where you're from? I think most people in the UK would pretty quickly say the Göttsching and LCD Soundsystem tracks are techno, and the Phuture track in the article is straight up acid techno. House tends to be lighter, slightly slower and more euphoric, e.g. this I would call acid house: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFhxpMnfHB0 I'm intrigued because I knew an American at uni who insisted…

>I think most people in the UK would pretty quickly say the Göttsching and LCD Soundsystem tracks are techno

Göttsching is indeed techno.

>and the Phuture track in the article is straight up acid techno.

In those days the term used for that style was "acid house". It then turned into various sub-genres (rave, trance, etc). Acid techno is a later name for later genre.

Re: Dropping Acid

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Post by coldtea »

shellac wrote: post #38

Although weirdly preempted by an Indian record 'Ten Ragas To A Disco Beat' in 1982: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB4RYBpwV0A This is what "the TB-303 bass synthesizer uses [the artist] to reproduce itself" means - you really couldn't use these tools without producing this music.

>you really couldn't use these tools without producing this music

Well, you can use the TB-303 very consevatively, for it's original intended purpose, and it will just sound like a badly immitated regular bass guitar.

Re: Dropping Acid

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Post by strainer »

emptyfile wrote: post #35
zamalek wrote: post #11

It's amazing that the iconic dance/trance clap (the clap after 1:15 in Acid Tracks) was forged alongside the 303. This exact sample (or an unbelievably similar one) could be heard throughout the late 90's and still features in many tracks today. It's the Wilhelm Scream of EDM. Acid eventually resulted in liquid trance, which eventually became psytrance. Liquid was a fantastic exploration of the nature of sound, with…

>Acid eventually resulted in liquid trance, which eventually became psytrance. No it didn't, psytrance came from goa trance for which the foundations were laid in the 80's before trance popper was a thing. And what is liquid trance? Never heard of it. But not to make this post just about whining, here's possibly the first trance track ever made, since we're talking about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT9pH9C7Oe…

"What time is love" seems related, by the KLF in 1988. It sounds to me like the 303 might feature there as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT7lwdui4HY

The KLF became more theatrical and were the biggest singles selling act in the world in 1991, then retired in 92, ceremonially burnt a million pounds and deleted their entire back catalog.

This sort of techno-poetry track from Anne Clark in 1984, "Our Darkness" seems related to "What time is love". Although its surely not trance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rK7oT1mnf8

Re: Dropping Acid

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Post by kortex »

zamalek wrote: post #11

It's amazing that the iconic dance/trance clap (the clap after 1:15 in Acid Tracks) was forged alongside the 303. This exact sample (or an unbelievably similar one) could be heard throughout the late 90's and still features in many tracks today. It's the Wilhelm Scream of EDM. Acid eventually resulted in liquid trance, which eventually became psytrance. Liquid was a fantastic exploration of the nature of sound, with…

Speaking of Wilhelm Screams of music, the Amen break is nearly as ubiquitous as the 808 clap. It helped catalyze Hip-hop, while Rave, and then Jungle and dnb, were virtually born out of that loop as Athena was born from Zeus' skull.

https://youtu.be/5SaFTm2bcac

Re: Dropping Acid

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Post by shellac »

coldtea wrote: post #54
shellac wrote: post #38

Although weirdly preempted by an Indian record 'Ten Ragas To A Disco Beat' in 1982: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB4RYBpwV0A This is what "the TB-303 bass synthesizer uses [the artist] to reproduce itself" means - you really couldn't use these tools without producing this music.

> you really couldn't use these tools without producing this music Well, you can use the TB-303 very consevatively, for it's original intended purpose, and it will just sound like a badly immitated regular bass guitar.

I did try that once, and found it quite a challenge. It feels like all the controls go well beyond '11' for the intended (bass line) use.

Re: Dropping Acid

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Post by hansjorg »

bhrgunatha wrote: post #13
tjr225 wrote: post #2

A lot of people, myself included, still love and create acid. The original 303 itself is pretty absurdly (prohibitively) expensive to acquire, and it's a tiny plastic toy and net anywhere from 2000-4000$. A case study in supply and demand - with a little bit of hype, I suppose. There have been a bunch of pretty good software emulations, most notably: https://www.audiorealism.se/abl3.html and even some much cheaper ph…

Any recommendations for modern artists?

For some melodic acid, check out Benn Jordan's (aka The Flashbulb) side projects Acidwolf and Human Action Network:

https://soundcloud.com/bennjordan/acidwolf-3035-fm-halloween...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVeL4shSvt4&list=PLROlZwVcdm...

https://open.spotify.com/album/7JjuavCNCiYsOfjvv3MSOB?si=4Y3...

Re: Dropping Acid

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Post by eru »

dylan604 wrote: post #17
zamalek wrote: post #11

It's amazing that the iconic dance/trance clap (the clap after 1:15 in Acid Tracks) was forged alongside the 303. This exact sample (or an unbelievably similar one) could be heard throughout the late 90's and still features in many tracks today. It's the Wilhelm Scream of EDM. Acid eventually resulted in liquid trance, which eventually became psytrance. Liquid was a fantastic exploration of the nature of sound, with…

We used sit around and joke about the type of music that Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, etc would do with studio equipment from today, but without letting them hear anything produced with them. Would they create similar compositions just with new voices? Seems logical as that's what they "knew". Or would the new eventually end up completely changing styles with the capabilities of the new instruments. Yes, we'd convenientl…

The Well-Tempered Clavier was a novelty in JS Bach's time. He did write new music just for it.
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