Live data from Hacker News

Ask HN: What agencies would you recommend to manage PPC and AdWords?

news.ycombinator.com

21–30 of 32 posts

Re: Ask HN: What agencies would you recommend to manage PPC and AdWords?

#21
post #6

If you're willing to hire a full time person, Google's AdWords team has hundreds of very talented optimizers and account specialists who are in general fairly unhappy with their jobs. They have very deep knowledge of PPC/Adwords from the inside, and have seen a variety of client accounts. Google doesn't do a good job of nurturing since they tend to hire highly intelligent nontechnical people, train them all about Adw…

Where/how can I find these folks?

We're in direct discussion every week with our dedicated account team at Google but it's very hands off.

Re: Ask HN: What agencies would you recommend to manage PPC and AdWords?

#22
Agree with the do-it-yourself sentiment. I spent a couple of years responsible for about $2 million in annual search spend. Started off inheriting an agency relationship. They were sloppy, so I did an RFP for a new agency to take over the account.

New agency was better, but ultimately didn't offer enough improvement. So I started managing one segment of the business internally, proved to my company that it wasn't any Olympian task, and the whole thing came in house. As far as I know, four years later, they've grown the internal team and still do it in house.

THe SEM products give you a decent amount of sophistication for planning and controlling your campaign. Agency people may have an additional software layer to use on top of that but you can easily beat the results they offer just by giving a damn about your business. Your rep at an agency Will have many other clients to worry about and can't provide the same commitment as you or an employee.

You might even find this is doable on a part-time basis early on, once you have the campaign dialed in and need to focus on other things. However you sort it out, there are many better approaches than using an agency.

Re: Ask HN: What agencies would you recommend to manage PPC and AdWords?

#23

I'm an engineer that has been working for > 8 years with advertising or advertising-related companies. This summer I co-founded AdGrok to help people do their own internet marketing. I agree with what others have said, and will throw a couple more assertions into the mix: * Start by managing this yourself, or hire someone internally to do it. Agencies (and trada, unless you do cost-per-conversion) aren't necessarily…

> Don't send all your traffic to your home page. Specific targeting for segments of your customer base will do much better than general messages that don't speak directly to anyone.

Can't vote this up enough. We had dramatic conversion success by creating specially targeted landing pages with a lead form embedded. Tying your keywords to specific, targeted content is essential to making the most of your campaign. The less a user has to hunt around to satisfy their search intent, the more easily you can make the most of their attention.

Re: Ask HN: What agencies would you recommend to manage PPC and AdWords?

#24

I'm an engineer that has been working for > 8 years with advertising or advertising-related companies. This summer I co-founded AdGrok to help people do their own internet marketing. I agree with what others have said, and will throw a couple more assertions into the mix: * Start by managing this yourself, or hire someone internally to do it. Agencies (and trada, unless you do cost-per-conversion) aren't necessarily…

Just signed up on the Wufoo form Matthew.

Looking forward to trying it out, as I've hit all the points in your comment. I'll see if this works for us.

Re: Ask HN: What agencies would you recommend to manage PPC and AdWords?

#25

I'm an engineer that has been working for > 8 years with advertising or advertising-related companies. This summer I co-founded AdGrok to help people do their own internet marketing. I agree with what others have said, and will throw a couple more assertions into the mix: * Start by managing this yourself, or hire someone internally to do it. Agencies (and trada, unless you do cost-per-conversion) aren't necessarily…

> Don't send all your traffic to your home page. Specific targeting for segments of your customer base will do much better than general messages that don't speak directly to anyone. Can't vote this up enough. We had dramatic conversion success by creating specially targeted landing pages with a lead form embedded. Tying your keywords to specific, targeted content is essential to making the most of your campaign. The…

Does this really need to be said to someone that wants to manage a lot of money on PPC spending?

Re: Ask HN: What agencies would you recommend to manage PPC and AdWords?

#26
http://softwarepromotions.com

Dave Collins is one of my Internet buddies, and he is about as savvy at AdWords as I am with SEO. People have offered me substantial amounts of money to do AdWords for them. I always turn it down and recommend they use him instead, as it would almost certainly be a better use of their money.

Re: Ask HN: What agencies would you recommend to manage PPC and AdWords?

#28
Lots of good advice. I have worked at a couple of startup some that did millions in revenue each month and some that bombed out.

I do believe if you can bring it in house do it as there is extra benefit to the business from understanding what is driving ppc.

If you can't do it in house for financial or lack of time I recommend you go with an agency that examines both the adwords side and the post click side (site analytics). Also the agency must commit to understanding you business and model.

My shameless plug is we see our role as a partner we need to understand you business and information needs to flow between us and our clients to truly grow and optimize the business. One other option that we offer some clients is to train an internal person/team on PPC. This can save you lots of time, money and headaches early on if you go in house. If you want to chat more give me a ring Greg 773-517-8449 - www.digitalbaltoro.com - greg@digitalbaltoro.com

Re: Ask HN: What agencies would you recommend to manage PPC and AdWords?

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Don't send all your traffic to your home page. Specific targeting for segments of your customer base will do much better than general messages that don't speak directly to anyone. Can't vote this up enough. We had dramatic conversion success by creating specially targeted landing pages with a lead form embedded. Tying your keywords to specific, targeted content is essential to making the most of your campaign. The…

Does this really need to be said to someone that wants to manage a lot of money on PPC spending?

Absolutely.

Just in the last month we've seen more than a handful of companies that have non-trivial spend and only send traffic to their home page.

"Best practices" just don't seem to be promulgated very well.

Post reply on HN