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Values are not about profits. They are about Innovation. Which fuels market share and has the intended result of increased profits. The assumption that profits rule the world is a projection. Imo, Innovation rules the world.

"Innovation" is a buzzword. It's so context-dependent that the word by itself is almost meaningless.

Values as people understand them are usually about neither profit nor "innovation". It's about people, morality, and goals other than money.

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Can confirm, China watches its citizens abroad, closely, and in person sometimes. Their families can be affected, and if they go back home to visit, there can be problems.

Can confirm your confirm is fabricated from thin air. The difference would be: you might not know you are lying while I do. We are doing the same thing, confirm something not conformable. Theoretically that's lying

You don't know he's lying, you just assume it because he didn't cite a source. It's not the first time I've heard people make his claim, so it might not be baseless.

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#403

"Many of us accepted employment at Google with the company’s values in mind, including its previous position on Chinese censorship and surveillance, and an understanding that Google was a company willing to place its values above its profits." When has it ever put values above profits? Google is selling our data to everyone. What values?

Google's motto used to be "Don't be evil", until Oct 2015. They were generally doing the good things.

I'm not sure Google has any values right now, unless somebody corrects me.

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#404

Values are not about profits. They are about Innovation. Which fuels market share and has the intended result of increased profits. The assumption that profits rule the world is a projection. Imo, Innovation rules the world.

I feel like you just contradicted yourself. If a company didn't think innovation lead to more profits, then they wouldn't try to.

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When you chose to take 50% of your compensation in stock, you too have chosen to place company profits over company values.

If these moral employees kept quitting, they'd keep being replaced by new employees which have increasingly bad moral compasses... And it would keep getting worse until it reaches the point of no return; aka Facebook.

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While I’d like to try and agree... I think you may be missing a sense of scale and the reality of just how replaceable people are... even magically-gifted google employees.

Replacing people might be easy, but it's never cheap - even in industries with an abundance of candidates. The real issue with having your work-force leave is three-fold. First, you lose all the accumulated knowledge of your team. Second, you lose the cohesiveness of your team. Thirdly, you have to _pay to get a new team_. All of these things conspire to make all but the lowliest of jobs (think Target Associate) much…

Fourth, your potential employees know what happened to your previous employees.

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#409

It really pains me how Google has changed. When I was younger I always wanted to work there. Now that I've graduated college, I would probably never want to work there.

I agree. However, for every person who doesn't want to work there, five others are willing to join the company, especially those who live overseas and are willing to work for pennies.

Exactly. They still are one of THE companies to work for, and throw so much money at people its hard to say no
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