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We are Google employees – Google must drop Dragonfly
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#373Earlier quoted context omitted.
Replacing people might be easy, but it's never cheap - even in industries with an abundance of candidates. The real issue with having your work-force leave is three-fold. First, you lose all the accumulated knowledge of your team. Second, you lose the cohesiveness of your team. Thirdly, you have to _pay to get a new team_. All of these things conspire to make all but the lowliest of jobs (think Target Associate) much…
Point 4: the new people come in with knowledge of the walk out, which can cause all kinds of secondary reactions. If this goes through every new google employee will have something to think about during the HR feel good antics.
I think you maybe are now ignoring the number of H1B / Visa / or otherwise applicants happy to take a lucrative job that don't give 1/2 a damn about any of that.
My post about SCALE was apparently too hard to understand. There is a big sea of programmers that would be happy to work for Google censorship or not.
If you want to argue the cost of replacing people - I'd argue the cost of paying people who won't do the job you want them to do.
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#374Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agreed. But this many Google employees acting collectively, including some very senior and long-tenured Googlers, meet that additional condition. (Disclosure: having worked at Google I know some names on that list personally, and respect them greatly. I haven't worked at Google since early 2015.)
But this was 139 out of 88K employees [1]. Doesn't seem like that many? How do we interpret the other 87K+? [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/273744/number-of-full-ti...
It's been a long time since my statistics and econometrics courses, but one conclusion that's definitely unwarranted would be to assume that the rest disagree with the signatories. People who speak up on an issue will always be a small fraction of the larger population of people who share the same opinion.
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#375While the primary motivation of companies is to generate profits, Google has been in a unique position, thanks to its near monopoly, to generate profits while sticking to its values. It’s a shame they’ve started down this other path.
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#376It really pains me how Google has changed. When I was younger I always wanted to work there. Now that I've graduated college, I would probably never want to work there.
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#377If this is immoral, it should also be illegal, no? Is anyone for also lobbying to create a law or executive order to that effect? Otherwise, another company will simply step into Googles place, or they could be tempted later to try again. The market is too profitable to do otherwise.
Making everything that is immoral illegal is putting the government in charge of defining morality, it's a bad idea. It leaves little room for disagreement. Little room for nuance. Slows the ability to adapt to new situations or improved understanding. Opens up the process of deciding what is moral to abuse. Etc.
I am not for making everything illegal, just support of dictatorial governments.
Isn't that the sort of thing that diplomacy, and national policy is for?
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#378I know it at least since the 2008 crisis. Google made a choice, manipulate search results /display on page to stop sending as less visitors as possible to non-Google sites.
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#379No one from the business.
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#380Yet again, the tech elites get lionization for doing barely anything and would get them fired at a "real" company. How long do normal people have to listen to these folks as if they're inherently superior?