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Post by kevmo »

enraged_camel wrote: post #280
lostgame wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> People who work at Google are choosing to aid in the suppression of human freedom. The fact that there's a large number of employees who signed this document provides great evidence to contradict this claim. It's kind of a blanket statement - I'm sure a bunch of the folks here on HN work at Google and are trying to do exactly the opposite. Heck, some of the people who signed off on this document could be HN'ers! Y…

>>The fact that there's a large number of employees who signed this document provides great evidence to contradict this claim. As the saying goes, talk is cheap. So is signing a document. What is not easy to do is putting your money where your mouth is and acting on your convictions, even if they cause you great discomfort.

Exactly. You have to be willing to walk.

It's not even a high-risk proposition, given how many other amazing opportunities are available to virtually every knowledge worker at Google.

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Post by briandear »

patrickaljord wrote: post #80
TallGuyShort wrote: post #64

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It's only condescending in a nationalist sense. I look at my own government and how well it chooses what is best for me, and I have to ask, who is the Chinese government to decide what is best for the Chinese people?

Unless you're an anarchist, that's exactly what the government's job is: decide what's best for people. That's why you have prescription only drugs, anti-vice laws, securities. All these things exist because the government think the people are too dumb to decide things by themselves. Not saying I agree with it, just saying you would need to argue for anarchism if you were to argue "who is the X government to decide w…

> that's exactly what the government's job is: decide what's best for people.

Wrong. The government’s Just is to protect life and liberty and ensure a legal framework for the enforcement of contracts. It’s just is most certainly not deciding what is best for people. Protect my rights and otherwise stay out of the way.

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Post by balibebas »

politician wrote: post #238
educationdata wrote: post #10

There are not many Chinese names in the signed letter, and I can fully understand. If you are a Chinese H1B or green card holder, and you signed this letter, it is almost certain the Chinese government will contact your family in China.

How many Chinese social credit points would the family members of the signer lose if a Googler were to sign this letter?

Let's find out, shall we?

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Post by PavlovsCat »

lostgame wrote: post #222
PavlovsCat wrote: post #207

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This is a bit older, but it's a citation: http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/multimedia/video/2008/wallace/from... > You said: "There has never been a better society than in the United States in 1958." What do you mean by that? > FROMM: Well, I mean it, of course, in relative terms. The history of man so far is nothing to brag about, from the standpoint of our ideas--and what I mean is, that in comparison with most other soci…

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The gap between rich and poor keeps increasing, the development of wages over the last few decades is GROSS. It's shameful. Yes, once again people in their despair got whipped into voting for a wolf in sheep's clothing, but also once again their despair is ignored.

Trump is a symptom, not a root cause. I was convinced he's a fascist nearly a year before he was elected, and even then was already annoyed by the circus around "what will he say next?". Then he did get elected (which I by the way considered to be a punishment for the popular support of Bernie Sanders... one thing is sure, the next president will just have to be a polite human being, and a lot of people will cry tears of joy and eat out of their hand, "progressive" now got reset to "not utterly mad"), and it go so much worse, instead of fixing their own mistakes, people just point fingers at him some more. He's a giant distraction.

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Post by amatecha »

nimbius wrote: post #33

Pretty bold. A lot of people are saying this wont work, but speaking from my own experience, you'd be surprised what companies are amicable to when it comes to business. Im an engine mechanic by trade, and our shops handle bids for cash strapped local governments that outsource their motor pool maintenance. We do things like fire trucks and police cars, but we were working on a new regional idea as a "service center"…

Thank you for standing up for what's right... :) If only more individuals & businesses stood up against militarism in our communities!

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Post by Mahn »

lgleason wrote: post #253

While I agree with their stand on this issue, there is a big level of hypocrisy in these statements since Google is well known for suppressing search results and banning people on YouTube etc. based on political ideology. So I'd like to see them stand up against that as well.

> Google is well known for suppressing search results and banning people on YouTube etc. based on political ideology.

Can you give some examples of this?

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Post by dragonwriter »

dcow wrote: post #283
lostgame wrote: post #222

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Despite what you want to believe, there is no virtue in having a first just to have a first. I’d rather have a kick-ass first female president than a “figurehead first”. You need to examine your virtues a little before getting uptight about missing a chance to signal. Further, the US is not great because it’s progressive. It’s great because we are allowed to be progressive. It’s great because it is structured to syst…

> Further, the US is not great because it’s progressive.

This is true:

~(p ^ q) -> ~(p because q)

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Post by Diederich »

nimbius wrote: post #33

Pretty bold. A lot of people are saying this wont work, but speaking from my own experience, you'd be surprised what companies are amicable to when it comes to business. Im an engine mechanic by trade, and our shops handle bids for cash strapped local governments that outsource their motor pool maintenance. We do things like fire trucks and police cars, but we were working on a new regional idea as a "service center"…

Thank you for sharing this; the world needs many more people who actually live and act on their ethical boundaries.

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Post by scarcely »

netheril96 wrote: post #119
educationdata wrote: post #10

There are not many Chinese names in the signed letter, and I can fully understand. If you are a Chinese H1B or green card holder, and you signed this letter, it is almost certain the Chinese government will contact your family in China.

Or that they genuinely hold different views.

they hold different views? (they were born in China? they are brainwashed : no they can't possibly hold different views)

It's futile to explain yourself to someone if the person will just declare you "brainwashed" if you don't agree with them

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