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They should volunteer to give up some of their generous benefits to offset the lost revenue from Dragonfly.
Given how trash of a search engine Baidu is, Google would likely achieve market share dominance in China within a couple years - should they move forward with Dragonfly. Complying with demands of the Chinese gov't is the only way they can penetrate the Chinese market. Search engine advertising constitutes close to 85% of Google's revenue. And unlike Project Maven, which was ended due to internal resistance from emplo…
> Google would likely achieve dominant search engine market share in China within a few years You assume that the government would ever let a foreign company get dominant market share over a domestic one. China is no where close to a free market, the winners are chosen.
Reading a bit about the Belt and Road Initiative is probably a good primer on some of China's global interests right now.
Given how trash of a search engine Baidu is, Google would likely achieve market share dominance in China within a couple years - should they move forward with Dragonfly. Complying with demands of the Chinese gov't is the only way they can penetrate the Chinese market. Search engine advertising constitutes close to 85% of Google's revenue. And unlike Project Maven, which was ended due to internal resistance from emplo…
doing business with the second largest economy in the world isn't an expendable venture Google could continue to operate profitably without doing business in China, so what makes your statement true?
It's all about returning as much money to investors as possible. Period. Otherwise you suffer the consequences.
I have mixed feelings about this... I fully support free information not filtered by nation states, but abandoning search in China means you abandon the chance to make it a better place :/ I think developers and engineers we often do assign enough value to "progress" vs perfection. Rome didn't fall in a day, as they say.
Without stating an opinion on the topic itself, what does the community think about employees agitating against a company practice like this rather than just leaving and doing something else. Obviously they feel strongly about it and want to make sure it doesn’t happen at all, while the company feels they have a huge untapped revenue source.
Recognizing that there are paths available other than "doing what the company says" or "walking away" is a good thing, and people should speak up if they feel their work is being used in unethical ways.
There's a view that employees are subservient to employer's wills, to the extent they agree to stay under their employ. While obviously true to some extent, it seems silly to extend this to carte blanche for what employees must agree to be complicit in.
The alternative to google censoring its search is using chinese services - search, shopping, payment, IM. For work reasons I had to use chinese web, and believe me, the later is much worse for a westerner. Minimal i18n, confusing visual design, payments that dont go throught, random network errors, total reliance on you having a mobile phone. Yes, censhorship is bad, but I rather use censored service from a western c…
"Believe me" signals to me that I'm about to hear something shocking, yet it's followed by the anticlimactic "for a Westerner".
I have mixed feelings about this... I fully support free information not filtered by nation states, but abandoning search in China means you abandon the chance to make it a better place :/ I think developers and engineers we often do assign enough value to "progress" vs perfection. Rome didn't fall in a day, as they say.
Given how trash of a search engine Baidu is, Google would likely achieve market share dominance in China within a couple years - should they move forward with Dragonfly. Complying with demands of the Chinese gov't is the only way they can penetrate the Chinese market. Search engine advertising constitutes close to 85% of Google's revenue. And unlike Project Maven, which was ended due to internal resistance from emplo…
Why dont western companies band together and threaten a boycott until some kind of IP laws are enforced? They just keep getting picked off one by one.
The best way for the world to improve is for all scientific and technology advancements to be freely available.
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doing business with the second largest economy in the world isn't an expendable venture Google could continue to operate profitably without doing business in China, so what makes your statement true?
I don't think this is true. The stock market demands their hockey stick. If Google doesn't go after the Chinese market, their stock value will suffer. It's all about returning as much money to investors as possible. Period. Otherwise you suffer the consequences.
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Why dont western companies band together and threaten a boycott until some kind of IP laws are enforced? They just keep getting picked off one by one.
Of all of the good and bad things that China is doing, underminding IP laws is probably the most beneficial to society. The best way for the world to improve is for all scientific and technology advancements to be freely available.