At least they don't take away our clothes and make us wear orange jump suits for the duration of the flight - yet.
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#22I really don't get it. Can someone explain what is wrong with body scanners? I just see people embarrassed at having body parts, which is absurd. Everyone looks approximately the same, and it's not like photos of your junk are being sent to your coworkers.
1) mechanics, cleaning crew, and other people who have direct access to the planes do not need to go through security - it's only places visible to passengers where this is done. After all, airplanes are used to smuggle drugs, so the same process can be used to secrete a bomb. 2) additional security and screening costs money, time, and our patience, but there's no evidence that it's effective. A GAO report points out…
This was the type of answer I was hoping for, thanks.
Some of what you referenced and further reading here:
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#23Forget about being seen naked. The bigger issue is that it's all security theater and does little to actually make us safer, yet it costs us an extraordinary amount in cost and lost time.
does little to actually make us safer Evidence? (or reasoning)
Why was this downvoted?
See dalke's reply to me below for an actual response:
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#24I really don't get it. Can someone explain what is wrong with body scanners? I just see people embarrassed at having body parts, which is absurd. Everyone looks approximately the same, and it's not like photos of your junk are being sent to your coworkers.
Our culture has sexualized taboos over nakedness; mandatory nakedness is a form of humiliation and sexual assault. I understand if your individual experience of culture is a step apart from the norm; but you must recognize that, even if you don't see people stripping off their clothes has a sexual element, plenty of people who go to strip clubs etc. do .
Sure, I can empathize with that point of view if it's a "just because I can" type of power situation. But if it's a standard (assuming necessary) security procedure does it still carry the same weight?
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
The inconvenience of having to undress would annoy me, as do having to take off my shoes and put my luggage through a machine. I would only be annoyed for reasons other than inconvenience if the contact is unprofessional. Assuming that it's not, and everyone else is doing the same, I wouldn't feel like I was being violated. My basic point is that the liberty being infringed upon by these scanners (i.e. liberty to hid…
Now what if they were asking the same of your daughter?
In the case of strip searches, if she's young I would object because I don't want her growing up thinking strangers touching her naked is acceptable in general. I would require some level of maturity first to be able to understand the moral difference between a strip search performed by a TSA officer on duty and one performed by her 4th grade teacher.
In the case of scanners, under the same assumption of completely professional conduct, I see no problem. She would probably be more emotionally scarred by a visit to the doctor.
Kids generally don't have any problem running around naked. It's the adults that feel self-conscious.
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#26I really don't get it. Can someone explain what is wrong with body scanners? I just see people embarrassed at having body parts, which is absurd. Everyone looks approximately the same, and it's not like photos of your junk are being sent to your coworkers.
It's not about embarrassment. It's about my right to be in control of my person, and to not be bombarded with unnecessary radiation (of any amount). And it's about power and control.
You have every right not to fly. So it's not about power and control.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not about embarrassment. It's about my right to be in control of my person, and to not be bombarded with unnecessary radiation (of any amount). And it's about power and control.
You have every right not to fly. So it's not about power and control.
The first sentence makes sense but the second one does not follow. Grow a brain.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
I get it. You, like too many, think genitals are 'junk'. I am not ashamed of my body. I value my body and want to share it only with those I choose, not indiscriminately, and certainly not as a condition for flying. Forced or coerced nudity has been used as a weapon because it represents a one-way power transfer.
"Junk: Penis and testacles." [sic] [1] [1] http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=junk (NSFW) (definition 2)
My point.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not about embarrassment. It's about my right to be in control of my person, and to not be bombarded with unnecessary radiation (of any amount). And it's about power and control.
You have every right not to fly. So it's not about power and control.
If I can drive to my destination within about 10 to 12 hours then I'll avoid flying. I'm a pilot and love aviation, so this is a real downer for me.
And BTW, here in SoCal we can't drive anywhere without encountering those interior "border" checkpoints, where the CBP guards do all they can to routinely circumvent the 4th. Just like TSA.
And please tell me what it is about! Security???
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You have every right not to fly. So it's not about power and control.
If I can drive to my destination within about 10 to 12 hours then I'll avoid flying. I'm a pilot and love aviation, so this is a real downer for me. And BTW, here in SoCal we can't drive anywhere without encountering those interior "border" checkpoints, where the CBP guards do all they can to routinely circumvent the 4th. Just like TSA. And please tell me what it is about! Security???
Security???
Yes, I think that's the point. Or politics if you're cynical, which I might agree with.
Sorry for my brevity, I may have come across the wrong way. What I mean is that this measure doesn't take away control over of person. It's voluntary, just as with a EULA. You could, I guess, argue that EULAs are immoral because they take away your freedoms, but I don't hold that view.
Strictly interpreted my second sentence is trivially false; this whole thing is about controlling the ability of people to take weapons on planes, so let me refine my statement: it's not about power and control over the visibility of your genitalia, which follows from the fact that you still have control over it.
What something is 'about' is a stupid semantic point, and not really worth arguing. More interesting is what it does. Money is spent, TSA officers see through your clothes, you are to some extent hindered from bringing weapons on planes. I consider the seeing through clothes part as the least important term in the equation, hence my confusion and the massive argument.
Just wondering, what kind of security checks do certified pilots have to go through before flying?