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Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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So why isn't everyone using it then?

Do you really need this answered? Because their computer comes with Windows pre-installed.

Yes, I really do. Why don't more computers come with Linux pre-installed? If Linux is such a great replacement for Windows, why has it made very little gains in replacing Windows? Is it all somebody else's fault and has nothing to do with the usability of Linux?

Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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None of the parties that are involved in Linux actually care one iota about the desktop. At best it is a side project. It is phones, servers and embedded, Only a very small percentage of what is a shrinking market uses it uses it on the desktop. It will never happen. The only company that has really invested into anything close to Desktop Linux is Google and it is Chrome books which are pretty much a walled garden. W…

>Why doesn't by usb headset work? >The only thing I haven't had work is some cheapo chinese Serial PCI card from fleabay. You are contradicting yourself here. Besides, linux hardware support is incredible nowadays, and most of the time if you have problems with linux, you would have them with windows as well (aka, oem drivers for crappy nonstandard custom hardware). Nowadays most of the soundcards, gamepads, headsets…

> You are contradicting yourself here.

No I am not. I was just saying that the only thing I've hadn't have work out of the box was some dodgy PCI card from China. It is literally the only thing in the last ten years that wasn't a video card that didn't work out of the box for me.

> Besides, linux hardware support is incredible nowadays, and most of the time if you have problems with linux, you would have them with windows as well (aka, oem drivers for crappy nonstandard custom hardware).

I've been using *nix now for about 20 years. I still have the same problems with plugging in things like headsets that I had 10 years ago. The headset I am using is a £30 headset that you can buy in almost any supermarket and that is just an example of the problems that you will face on a daily basis.

I have a bog standard Dell Latitude laptop (refurb business model). Everything is intel. Yet I still have problems with Power management on popular distros like Ubuntu and Fedora. Everything works fine in Windows Vista and Above. I get screen tearing on my desktop machine because X is utter crap. Also any application can completely kill X, I had it happen the other day.

I am sure I could fix some of these issues. But I just don't care enough anymore.

> Also, RedHat cares about desktop, and canonical cared a lot. Nowadays RedHat is involved in a proper hybrid graphics support, gnome desktop etc. In some areas linux is lagging behind, for example accessability is still not the best, though gnome people are very concerned about it (that was one of the major reason for using a full gnome shell for login).

Redhat used to sell the distro as a desktop Linux that you could buy in a store like PC world, so did Suse and quite a lot of other distros (Mandrake, Lindows, Corel). Very few people bought them, they didn't make any money and they vanished in about 2004/2005ish IIRC. The vast majority of income that Redhat makes is support contacts.

As for the gnome team, they threw away years of work when they moved to Gnome 3. That must be 10,000s of man hours. That is nuts. I don't trust a team that throws away years worth of code, user testing and bug reports. I know it been forked into Mate, but that is besides the point.

Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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To preserve their main domain from the filthiest blacklists? So they can move on to another shady domain for dirty tricks if this one goes under in reputation. Executive thinking..

but why wouldnt they use microsoft-telemetry.com instead?

Why would that be any less shady? I've gotten plenty of spam pointing to .com and similar.

Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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They also dropped a seemingly random-named tool/service ("sedlauncher" and I think "sedsvc") in "C:\Program Files\rempl" (not the Windows directory as one would expect) that looks pretty malware-y to the point where even a community moderator on the MS forums called it malware [2] but is legit [1], and Win 10 has dozens of new services running (and likely having new ones added with every unavoidable feature update).…

They also dropped a seemingly random-named tool/service ("sedlauncher" and I think "sedsvc") in "C:\Program Files\rempl" ...and they didn't even bother to check that there's an existing project of that name (which will only serve to scare those who come across it by searching --- the description begins "Platform for moderated remote access "...): https://github.com/rempl/rempl It also randomly creates a new service m…

>Windows 10 to turn off updates completely

I did that 6 months ago best thing I ever did to win 10 so far.

Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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It doesn't work well OOTB. This is just incorrect. I've been using Linux/Unix for about 20 years now. There are still loads of things that just do not work and I really expect them to work. I am not talking about specialist hardware. I am talking about things like a USB headset I have (works fine on Windows and MacOSX without having to install any additional drivers). Doesn't work on Linux. I installed Slack using th…

>I installed Slack using the deb package (on ubuntu). Won't start, no idea why. Just segfaults. So I have to use the browser version of slack. This is a problem with Slack, not with Linux. >X will still hang with certain applications. Sometimes I close the Lid and the laptop never wakes up.I still get screen tearing when moving windows around. This stuff was fixed years ago on Windows. Plasma, the desktop I recommend…

> This is a problem with Slack, not with Linux.

This the attitude I always get and it stinks. I have sitting on my desk at home an Amiga 1200 (released in 1994). I can download a lha archive with a program in it, extract it and run it. Amiga OS was cutting edge in 1987ish. I still can't do that with a popular flavour of Linux like ubuntu.

I don't think it is unreasonable to expect to be able to download a package from the internet that is marked as "Ubuntu 18.04", use the package manager to install it and for it to work properly.

There is also about 3 or 4 different methods (that are somewhat official) to install applications. Which is crazy.

This problem only exists on Linux.

> Plasma, the desktop I recommended for end-users, has solved these problems. Years ago.

Good for you. Not everyone is running the same setup.

The whole "Works For Me" attitude. Again this attitude stinks.

> I simply don't believe that you know someone who understands how to use Windows and yet couldn't open a web browser on KDE Plasma.

I still have some usage hangups on Windows since the Windows 2000 days and I have a lot of problems with newer versions of windows because I just get confused with the interface. It isn't that uncommon tbh. In the end I've learnt enough powershell now it not an issue for me.

For a developer such as myself it is easier to just install WSL, run a VM or use something like vagrant or Docker and just put up with the odd annoyances that Windows 10 presents you with.

Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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This would be easy to detect. It's a popular tool made by a German company. I think someone would've found out by now.

The BSI is a federal office dedicated to IT security, not a company. It's more or less the German NSA, just without the spying part. That's done by other offices.

GP is talking about https://www.oo-software.com/en/company

Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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Does anyone know if there is a tool to safely remove telemetry executables from Win10? Is it possible to remove these?

My experience testing multiple tools on VMs (mostly recommendations from reddit), eventually deciding on one that seemed to work as advertised and installing it on my primary PC, says definitely not. Initially I saw a drastic reduction in outgoing traffic to MS/akadns, but after a couple months it ramped back up again... as someone else mentioned above, a lot of telemetry tools are reactivated/reinstalled via Windows Updates. I seemed to have completely nuked SMB in the process as well.

I never saw any outbound traffic to microsft.com, I wonder if it's because they are using the German version?

Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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post #142

Is there any way for getting an alert every time any program wants to access any IP/domain and let me decide if I let it pass or block it.

You made me look. Apparently, there is a tool on Windows called NetLimiter (https://www.netlimiter.com) that can do this. Discussion: https://superuser.com/questions/261440/whats-the-closest-equ...

Re: German federal office publishes Windows 10 telemetry analysis

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post #141

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Do you really need this answered? Because their computer comes with Windows pre-installed.

Yes, I really do. Why don't more computers come with Linux pre-installed? If Linux is such a great replacement for Windows, why has it made very little gains in replacing Windows? Is it all somebody else's fault and has nothing to do with the usability of Linux?

Because money = influence. Linux has none and Microsoft has lots. It's really that simple.
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