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Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by reaperducer »

icebraining wrote: post #6
maxxxxx wrote: post #4

Add to that a justice system also mostly automated and you are quickly caught in a Kafkaesque nightmare you can't get out if something goes wrong. Imagine the justice system run like google support. Even if something is clearly wrong you can't clear it up if you are not a famous person with a big Twitter following.

On the other hand, a justice system which has most of the menial tasks automated might have more resources to do the important tasks well. Similarly, Google could have a mostly automated system detecting violations and such, and also a good human support system with power to override the decisions of the former; the two are not really incompatible.

On the other hand, a justice system which has most of the menial tasks automated might have more resources to do the important tasks well.

They said the same thing about banking when we got ATM's. But banking has only gotten worse, more impersonal, and more frustrating and alienating for the average person.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by icebraining »

maxxxxx wrote: post #9
icebraining wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, a justice system which has most of the menial tasks automated might have more resources to do the important tasks well. Similarly, Google could have a mostly automated system detecting violations and such, and also a good human support system with power to override the decisions of the former; the two are not really incompatible.

I know an Android dev who had his Play account shut down for an unjustified reason. It took him a very long time to reactivate it. Especially the little guy doesn't get much attention from humans. That was a few years ago. Maybe it's better now.

I'm not saying Google's support is good. I'm saying the automation is not necessarily the culprit for its ills.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by roymurdock »

crazygringo wrote: post #5

That's absolutely hilarious. But at least it was easily fixed. But to anyone complaining about how this is dystopian: compare it to human police officers who can racially profile and exhibit their prejudices to disproportionately target segments of the population, and which there is absolutely zero easy fix for, especially when we consider how prevalent unconscious bias is. At least an automated system can be analyze…

there will always be humans programming and running these systems at the end of the day.

in the best case they will be heavily audited and will not be allowed to make important decisions.

in the worst case biases will be programmed into the systems decision making algorithms, amplifying the power of those controlling the systems

one of the best systems we've come up with for government relies on biased actors fighting each other and compromising to reach fair agreements. giving too much power to one of these branches of government is not a good thing, no matter how much inherent human bias it eliminates from the system

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by dymk »

reaperducer wrote: post #8
crazygringo wrote: post #5

That's absolutely hilarious. But at least it was easily fixed. But to anyone complaining about how this is dystopian: compare it to human police officers who can racially profile and exhibit their prejudices to disproportionately target segments of the population, and which there is absolutely zero easy fix for, especially when we consider how prevalent unconscious bias is. At least an automated system can be analyze…

compare it to human police officers who can racially profile and exhibit their prejudices It's already been demonstrated that computers can racially profile people. Everything from consumer cameras that tell the users that people in the pictures don't have their eyes open, but in reality are Asian; to chatbots that turn into Nazi bullhorns. You can at least train a bad cop to be better. Or fire them. How do you fire…

It's far easier to iterate on an AI and deploy updates statewide than it is to somehow weed out the individual biases of each individual cop.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by goto11 »

crazygringo wrote: post #5

That's absolutely hilarious. But at least it was easily fixed. But to anyone complaining about how this is dystopian: compare it to human police officers who can racially profile and exhibit their prejudices to disproportionately target segments of the population, and which there is absolutely zero easy fix for, especially when we consider how prevalent unconscious bias is. At least an automated system can be analyze…

So who is going to analyze the automated systems for bias and correct it? If it is impossible to identify and fix unfair bias in humans, presumably it is impossible to fix in the human overseers of this system. This is one area where technology will not save us.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by reaperducer »

SN76477 wrote: post #7

Imagine that she wasnt a famous CEO and lost her job and spent the rest of her life struggling because of a silly mistake.

It's China. So she's just have her social credit score repeatedly dinged every time the bus ran a red light until she wasn't allowed to travel anymore, wasn't allowed to work anymore, wasn't allowed to have a bank account, or allowed out of her apartment.

Bureaucracy is so much more efficient when everything is automated, and we're all tabulated. We can just let the computers disappear troublesome people. If a few people are disenfranchised for no fault of their own, that's OK. They're just "edge cases." /s

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by slowmovintarget »

reaperducer wrote: post #8
crazygringo wrote: post #5

That's absolutely hilarious. But at least it was easily fixed. But to anyone complaining about how this is dystopian: compare it to human police officers who can racially profile and exhibit their prejudices to disproportionately target segments of the population, and which there is absolutely zero easy fix for, especially when we consider how prevalent unconscious bias is. At least an automated system can be analyze…

compare it to human police officers who can racially profile and exhibit their prejudices It's already been demonstrated that computers can racially profile people. Everything from consumer cameras that tell the users that people in the pictures don't have their eyes open, but in reality are Asian; to chatbots that turn into Nazi bullhorns. You can at least train a bad cop to be better. Or fire them. How do you fire…

Hold this article up next to Beijing's new social credit system. Yikes.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by KaoruAoiShiho »

reaperducer wrote: post #11
icebraining wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, a justice system which has most of the menial tasks automated might have more resources to do the important tasks well. Similarly, Google could have a mostly automated system detecting violations and such, and also a good human support system with power to override the decisions of the former; the two are not really incompatible.

On the other hand, a justice system which has most of the menial tasks automated might have more resources to do the important tasks well. They said the same thing about banking when we got ATM's. But banking has only gotten worse, more impersonal, and more frustrating and alienating for the average person.

Need a source on this, I highly doubt it. Online banking and ATMs have been great for me.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by the-pigeon »

reaperducer wrote: post #11
icebraining wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, a justice system which has most of the menial tasks automated might have more resources to do the important tasks well. Similarly, Google could have a mostly automated system detecting violations and such, and also a good human support system with power to override the decisions of the former; the two are not really incompatible.

On the other hand, a justice system which has most of the menial tasks automated might have more resources to do the important tasks well. They said the same thing about banking when we got ATM's. But banking has only gotten worse, more impersonal, and more frustrating and alienating for the average person.

Out of curiosity could you explain what you mean?

I'm not nearly old enough to remember prior to ATMs. But I love ATMs. I only have to go inside the bank to do things once every few years. Everything else is on the phone or ATM. And the people I deal with on the phone are almost always very helpful and knowledgeable.

I know people have a lot of trouble with some of the big banks like Bank of America and Chase. But those aren't issues with the banking industry but those specific companies. There's plenty of smaller banks and credit unions who don't exploit their customers at every opportunity.

Re: AI Mistakes Bus-Side Ad for Famous CEO, Charges Her With Jaywalking

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Post by reaperducer »

userbinator wrote: post #2

It almost sounds like a headline from The Onion, but it's the reality in an increasingly dystopian society. That's really scary.

And once it's "proven to work" in China, it will be sold to every other country, and start falsely accusing people from Brussels to Boston to Bangkok.

Save more money on traffic cops. Spend more money on prisons.

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