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Re: Vladimir Lukyanov's hydraulic computer

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There was one experiment in physics lab course (undergraduate level) just ten years ago in which we also had to integrate like this. Not because we lacked better methods but to have experienced that it can be done this way.

Let's face it, that had that lab set up from before and didn't want to update it :D

I think it would actually have been easier to use current equipment than maintaining older but it was really about doing the work manually. Imagine it like having to learn to do mental arithmetics before being allowed to use a calculator. And so we got to write lists with data points or plot them with an X-Y plotter instead of automated collection of measurements. We hated it at times (noting a single value every 5 minutes is way more annoying that it might sound! The interval is too long to keep one busy and too short to do something meaningful in between) but in retrospect was the right way to learn to do experiments, in my opinion.

Re: Vladimir Lukyanov's hydraulic computer

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In a related vein, Ars Technica writer Sean Gallagher did a fantastic story on the US Navy's analog fire guidance computers a few years ago: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/gears... The instruction videos alone are worth the visit. Geekery of the first order.

These are absolutely mindblowing. Thanks for sharing!

Re: Vladimir Lukyanov's hydraulic computer

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It was not invented yet, the "Mathematical Model for the Determination of Total Area Under Glucose Tolerance and Other Metabolic Curves" paper came out in 1994... https://fliptomato.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/medical-research...

I hope that's a joke. The most basic numeric integration method is so simple I don't think it needed to be invented.

It's not. It's serious and sad. I remember a news article from a few months ago that exactly mentioned (and made fun) of this paper.

Re: Vladimir Lukyanov's hydraulic computer

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Wonder if they had cross-core security vulnerabilities?

Even better, is remote hacking of analog computer even possible?

It's not connected to anything, so probably not. However back when we used purpose-built electromechanical switching systems for telephones, people exploited them[0].

[0]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phreaking

Re: Vladimir Lukyanov's hydraulic computer

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I hope that's a joke. The most basic numeric integration method is so simple I don't think it needed to be invented.

It's not. It's serious and sad. I remember a news article from a few months ago that exactly mentioned (and made fun) of this paper.

It's a good example of why multidisciplinary research is essential though

Re: Vladimir Lukyanov's hydraulic computer

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In a related vein, Ars Technica writer Sean Gallagher did a fantastic story on the US Navy's analog fire guidance computers a few years ago: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/gears... The instruction videos alone are worth the visit. Geekery of the first order.

See also https://youtu.be/NAsM30MAHLg

A analog device for performing Fourier analysis.

Re: Vladimir Lukyanov's hydraulic computer

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In the 1980s people in chemistry labs that needed to find the area beneath a curve used to print/plot the curve, cut out the area and weigh it. This worked quite well as they had accurate scales.

If they had a plot of the function in a digital format that could be printed what stopped them from doing numerical integration?

The user interface of scissors and scale is much faster than the human/computer user interface for numerical integration after fitting a smoothed curve to the measured data.

The human scissor operator, in theory, can exercise far better judgment at throwing out invalid data points than an algorithm, when fitting curves. (When I was measuring datapoint 15 I know I was distracted, no surprise its an outlier, I can safely disregard it completely, etc)

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