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New Study Indicates Silicon Valley’s Elite Are Not as Liberal as They Think

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Re: New Study Indicates Silicon Valley’s Elite Are Not as Liberal as They Think

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> liberal on social issues, staunchly conservative on regulation. That's what liberal actually means. To be liberal in both areas it to be a progressive.

That use of the word liberal is quite obsolete. You might as well call a libertarian a classical socialist (in the style of Benjamin Tucker).

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Re: New Study Indicates Silicon Valley’s Elite Are Not as Liberal as They Think

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>College-age tech students poised to enter the Silicon Valley ranks overwhelmingly responded like their millionaire idols: liberal on social issues, staunchly conservative on regulation.

And I see no problem with that. Why would being liberal mean to support extreme leftist regulatory policy here? Why would we consider, letting those government officials, who may not have the expertise understanding the subject at hand, in this case technology, dictate how business should run and put harness on it, as part of the package of being liberal?

Corporations have proven these past hundreds of years that they are completely unwilling to act in a way that is remotely moral or beneficial for the greater good. And yet people continue to go “no we should let them poison the earth for their profit! We should allow them to underpay people and let society pick up the difference! We should allow them to pay politicians to make rules that benefit them! Because rules are bad!”. It’s baffling.

Re: New Study Indicates Silicon Valley’s Elite Are Not as Liberal as They Think

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This is just a question of labels. Maybe having just two parties is what creates the habit of dividing all the political ideas in two camps. But that's absurdly reductionist.

The social-democracy has wandered worldwide from its economical foundation to another set of causes: ecologism, feminism and identity politics. In the USA the democrats are holding, but in Europe most socialist parties are having a bad time.

Now Hillary (news that have been downvoted here to death) says that maybe inmigration should be curbed to avoid the raising of populism.

Re: New Study Indicates Silicon Valley’s Elite Are Not as Liberal as They Think

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post #8
post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>College-age tech students poised to enter the Silicon Valley ranks overwhelmingly responded like their millionaire idols: liberal on social issues, staunchly conservative on regulation.

> liberal on social issues, staunchly conservative on regulation. That's what liberal actually means. To be liberal in both areas it to be a progressive.

You have it backwards. Liberal economics means fewer regulations, less federal planning, etc. In their more "socialist" phases, China and India had the government in control of a lot of manufacturing, trade, etc. After their economies were liberalized, private companies had a greater say in their own affairs (they got "liberated"). In India, the government started selling off its factories to private owners under a liberal economic regime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_liberalism

Re: New Study Indicates Silicon Valley’s Elite Are Not as Liberal as They Think

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post #16

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What's insulting about saying someone from a middle class background (presumably in the United States) is "not as familiar with the depths of extreme poverty or working class families as I am." To me, this sounds like a shared opinion based on personal experience.

It was said in a different direction. People who hold political opinion X must be from this background because they don’t understand the issue like I do. I’m from a working class background and arrived at a different conclusion in my own experience. But I get lumped in with people raised upper middle class just because I couldn’t possibly have such opinions. Granted, this is why I try not to be defensive about it: wh…

I don't think there is much dispute that developers tend to come from upper middle class families, which is exactly what the parent said.

He didn't say they must come from there.

Re: New Study Indicates Silicon Valley’s Elite Are Not as Liberal as They Think

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> liberal on social issues, staunchly conservative on regulation. That's what liberal actually means. To be liberal in both areas it to be a progressive.

That use of the word liberal is quite obsolete. You might as well call a libertarian a classical socialist (in the style of Benjamin Tucker).

The word libertarian has been wrongfully stolen by capitalist, yes. Same with a term like anarcho-capitalism, which has nothing to do with anarchism, an ideology which is always staunchly anti-capitalist.

Re: New Study Indicates Silicon Valley’s Elite Are Not as Liberal as They Think

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> Research found that the tech elites responded with the same anti-regulatory zeal when questioned about other industries as well, as in a question about whether florists should be able to raise prices on flowers during holiday seasons. Is that actually a law somewhere?

Odd that one would hold a price control law as particularly 'liberal'. Anti-regulatory zeal is perfectly in line with Liberalism. Perhaps it is the names in the US that have diverged from the original meaning.

The so-called socially liberal, fiscally conservative is just Liberalism as conceived of by Locke and gang.

Re: New Study Indicates Silicon Valley’s Elite Are Not as Liberal as They Think

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Seems like a weird juxtaposition to me that the word “liberal” is being used to imply the support of more government regulations when by definition those restrictions are restricting someone’s freedoms (sometimes for the best IMO).

It reminds me of the old Norm MacDonald joke where because of abortions and the death penalty, there’s no way for him to vote for a party where nobody is killed.

Re: New Study Indicates Silicon Valley’s Elite Are Not as Liberal as They Think

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Seems like a weird juxtaposition to me that the word “liberal” is being used to imply the support of more government regulations when by definition those restrictions are restricting someone’s freedoms (sometimes for the best IMO). It reminds me of the old Norm MacDonald joke where because of abortions and the death penalty, there’s no way for him to vote for a party where nobody is killed.

Liberalism is always against an axis. As such, there are two different factors in liberalism, Social and Economic. The so-called liberals in America Liberals are socially liberal but economically conservative. While American conservatives are economically liberal but socially conservative.
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