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Going to university does not broaden the mind

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Re: Going to university does not broaden the mind

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> average member

> but I get that it is not the norm. And most available evidence suggests she did not get there through high intelligence, in lieu of a university education, but rather, complete and utter greed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDAwGqlIp7E

As such, it is not a counterexample!

Edit: you keep editing your comments, but I was replying to the self-quote, which, at the time was your entire comment.

Re: Going to university does not broaden the mind

#172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but I get that it is not the norm. And most available evidence suggests she did not get there through high intelligence, in lieu of a university education, but rather, complete and utter greed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDAwGqlIp7E

As such, it is not a counterexample! Edit: you keep editing your comments, but I was replying to the self-quote, which, at the time was your entire comment.

Sure, bad choice of words on my part. I'm pointing out, perhaps badly, that there are other attributes other than intelligence & education that can get someone there, eg. luck, greed, being a sociopath etc.

Re: Going to university does not broaden the mind

#173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As such, it is not a counterexample! Edit: you keep editing your comments, but I was replying to the self-quote, which, at the time was your entire comment.

Sure, bad choice of words on my part. I'm pointing out, perhaps badly, that there are other attributes other than intelligence & education that can get someone there, eg. luck, greed, being a sociopath etc.

General rule of thumb is to post a new comment or declare an explicit edit if the change is non-trivial and substantially changes the purpose/point of the comment.

Re: Going to university does not broaden the mind

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University definitely broadened my mind. I grew up in an area that was 99+% white and 50+% Jewish. We literally had “the black family” with twins who were our top track stars. And a few Asian families who hid their Asianness. It was at University that I learned about Asian culture. It was the first time I used chopsticks. It was the first time I drank tea without sugar. It was the first time I ate Chinese food that w…

What's the difference between north and south China?

To add on to the informative sibling comment, historically South China communities have been more isolated from each other due to its rugged terrain, whereas North China has been dominated by its plains, especially the central plain. Hence the phenomenon that in the North, historically, Mandarin dominated as the lingua franca, whereas the south was host to a staggering variety of Chinese languages.

Re: Going to university does not broaden the mind

#175

Only the privileged can afford to go to college to “broaden their mind”. Most people go to college to compete in the market and get a job. It’s amazing how much push back I get about computer science degrees should teach marketable skills and people say they weren’t meant to be ”vocational degrees” and you shouldn’t go to college for “job training”. Just the idea that people are suggesting in some of the comments tha…

Yes and no. I definitely feel where you're coming from. When I was in university I marvelled at the kids studying liberal arts. I thought it was a crazy extravagance to spend 4+ years and tens of thousands of dollars on something that had no evident financial return. At least I was getting an engineering degree that would pay the bills someday and I thought of the arts kids as subsisting on handouts from their afflue…

Nothing is ever “free”. How are you going to convince the middle class family to subsidize someone else’s “liberal arts” degree when that family is struggling themselves? Why should my taxes go toward paying someone else’s overpriced tutition? I graduated from high school and went to the local state college, stayed at home, and three years after graduating, I was making just as much as people sitting beside me who were mired in debt because they paid as much for one year of school as I paid for all four - without debt.

Re: Going to university does not broaden the mind

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post #92

University definitely broadened my mind. I grew up in an area that was 99+% white and 50+% Jewish. We literally had “the black family” with twins who were our top track stars. And a few Asian families who hid their Asianness. It was at University that I learned about Asian culture. It was the first time I used chopsticks. It was the first time I drank tea without sugar. It was the first time I ate Chinese food that w…

True story. At work, folks going out for lunch. Ask if I want dim sum. I had never heard of it. All I could think of, in redneck fashion, was "that boy ain't bright, he's dim some." I declined going. Still not sure what it is. I think it is a soup.

bro you gotta try cha siu bao

Re: Going to university does not broaden the mind

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post #162

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It is assuredly not northern Chinese cuisine. I think the point that is being made here is that your original statements about the distinguishing characteristics between northern and southern Chinese food are incorrect on any level.

Using a place which is intentionally pan-regional to make a statement about regions is not an anti-example. Also, I didn't make the original statement. And, no one said Sichuan was northern Chinese cuisine. So I'm a bit confused as to who and what you think you're responding to.

I cannot speak for the intent of the other person in this thread, but I was attempting to tie it back to your comment at the root of this thread, but based on your response it appears that the comments are intended to standalone. I apologize for the misunderstanding.

Still, your comments about Chinese cuisine are strange.

> The north is a lot more spicy stuff. The south is more about sauces and freshness.-

This is wrong, where did you get this information from?

> Using a place which is intentionally pan-regional...

How is Sichuan cuisine "pan-regional"? Can you elaborate, please?

Re: Going to university does not broaden the mind

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I feel there's a bit of a strange tension in this argument. Why can't you have both? While I was in classes it wasn't job focused, or at least not directly. I often hear people complain, for example about how they never use anything they learned in college for their programming jobs. I find this impossible to believe. The process of building a binary search tree or proving the pumping lemma are all exercises. Just li…

Agreed, I remember in first year our engineering professor teaching us all these abstract concepts about robot controllers and the philosophy behind them and then finishing the lecture by telling us, "Also, when you get to your first job, just read the manual to figure out how your specific controller works so you can do your job" :/. P.S: Also Waterloo grad here. Co-op FTW.

Hah. Our numerical methods professor once remarked during a lecture that programming is a technician’s job and if we want to just learn it, we should be be in a vocational school, not in univeristy learning CS. He was not wrong IMO.

Re: Going to university does not broaden the mind

#179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, bad choice of words on my part. I'm pointing out, perhaps badly, that there are other attributes other than intelligence & education that can get someone there, eg. luck, greed, being a sociopath etc.

General rule of thumb is to post a new comment or declare an explicit edit if the change is non-trivial and substantially changes the purpose/point of the comment.

Sure. Have a nice day.

Re: Going to university does not broaden the mind

#180
post #79

The researchers in the article compared German university students with German vocational students. Maybe that is the case for those groups. I was born and raised in Northern Canada. I'm ethnically India. University is where I first met a gay person and realized they are regular people just like me. Where I made my first Asian, Black, and Jewish friends. Where I first started reading philosophy and classic literature…

nice catch. if the article focuses on european higher education, it may not apply to north american systems, which aim for breadth. my understanding is that even in university, european students pick a track before matriculation and keep to it.

I'm German. We have a three tiered school system: the lowest one where you go to school for, iirc, 9 years is usually bound for people who are ... more hands on and later do an apprenticeship as a e.g. hairdresser. Middle tier is where you go to school for 10 years and do an apprenticeship as e.g. accounting clerk or IT system specialist. The higher tier is where you get the Abitur. It's mandatory that you have this if you want to go to university, but it takes 13 years to get one. You pick 2 classes that are maybe equivalent to AP classes in us high school. You can also pick the rest of your classes, but they require less time. E.g. mine where math and English.

After that you have a choice between two different kinds of universities. One is more traditional, but you pick the subject before hand and maybe you have some classes that you can choose for yourself but usually they have to have something to do with your main subject, e.g. some electrical engineering classes if you study mechanical engineering.

Then there is the university of applied sciences, which is a mix between an apprenticeship and university, with a more hands on approach. It's where you would study software engineering instead of computer science.

That's the reason our universities are more focused, we cover lots of ground in different topics at school.

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