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Going to university does not broaden the mind

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True. I would still argue that they should get their priorities straight. Slavery is much worse than taxation and even mentioning them in the same context is not OK.

This doesn't make sense. Slavery is obviously a particularly bad form of taxation.

I hope you are trying to be funny.

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University definitely broadened my mind. I grew up in an area that was 99+% white and 50+% Jewish. We literally had “the black family” with twins who were our top track stars. And a few Asian families who hid their Asianness. It was at University that I learned about Asian culture. It was the first time I used chopsticks. It was the first time I drank tea without sugar. It was the first time I ate Chinese food that w…

What's the difference between north and south China?

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A cynical view is that US universities teaches you the opinions and manners you need to assume your role in the ruling class.

It is literally the exact opposite. The ratio of leftist to right professors in university is 12:1, even more pronounced among faculty. 1 out of 5 professors in America identify as Marxist.

>1 out of 5 professors in America identify as Marxist.

I wonder how they're distributed among the various disciplines.

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post #92

University definitely broadened my mind. I grew up in an area that was 99+% white and 50+% Jewish. We literally had “the black family” with twins who were our top track stars. And a few Asian families who hid their Asianness. It was at University that I learned about Asian culture. It was the first time I used chopsticks. It was the first time I drank tea without sugar. It was the first time I ate Chinese food that w…

What's the difference between north and south China?

Very different foods. The north is a lot more spicy stuff. The south is more about sauces and freshness.

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I was in Engineering, then Applied Math, now in computer science. I don't do well in university style math classes. It takes me a long time working through something to understand what is happening (and why - the why of a thing is one of the first questions I ask when I'm learning something new). It takes me about twice as long to learn a math concept as my peers (or so it seems). But I'm typically the first to speak…

Some universities teach "follow the rules", others teach "here's where the rules come from." I was fortunate enough to have attended one of the latter. This was brought home to me when I had to calculate the moment of inertia of some gears in a gearbox. I started with the concept of MoI, and worked it out with a bit of calculus. Another engineer was looking over my work, and asked "what book did you get the formula f…

How would gear tooth profile affect MoI?

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post #79

The researchers in the article compared German university students with German vocational students. Maybe that is the case for those groups. I was born and raised in Northern Canada. I'm ethnically India. University is where I first met a gay person and realized they are regular people just like me. Where I made my first Asian, Black, and Jewish friends. Where I first started reading philosophy and classic literature…

nice catch. if the article focuses on european higher education, it may not apply to north american systems, which aim for breadth. my understanding is that even in university, european students pick a track before matriculation and keep to it.

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Wow, that’s the polar opposite of my experience (the “lacking a questioning mind” bit). Maybe you’re in the wrong program or studying a major that doesn’t fit your intellectual needs? (Added later...) I don’t know what you’re studying. And I know philosophy and fine arts programs get shat on sometimes, but one thing those subjects allow (when taught properly) is a very, very deep questioning and thoughtfulness toward…

I was in Engineering, then Applied Math, now in computer science. I don't do well in university style math classes. It takes me a long time working through something to understand what is happening (and why - the why of a thing is one of the first questions I ask when I'm learning something new). It takes me about twice as long to learn a math concept as my peers (or so it seems). But I'm typically the first to speak…

Toyota uses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_Whys

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post #46

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> My first real college programming job was with people who specifically did not hire out of the CS department. Not going to lie, that sounds incredibly counter-intuitive. However, as long as the people have the right skills or mindset I don’t see the issue. There may be a lacking in deeper underlying systems knowledge, though.

A computer science degree really doesn't teach any deep systems knowledge. It's a rather broad survey of operating systems, data structures, algorithms, machine architectures, and programming languages. An undergrad with a CS degree will have a lot to learn about developing software. A CS degree is probably most useful to identify people who are interested enough in computers and software to have stuck with it for 4…

It's completely possible to get a deep systems knowledge along with your computer science degree, but it's by no means a requirement.

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post #92

University definitely broadened my mind. I grew up in an area that was 99+% white and 50+% Jewish. We literally had “the black family” with twins who were our top track stars. And a few Asian families who hid their Asianness. It was at University that I learned about Asian culture. It was the first time I used chopsticks. It was the first time I drank tea without sugar. It was the first time I ate Chinese food that w…

>Without college I would probably be a racist

Quite a statement. If you don't mind me asking, do you see people who don't go to college as probably racist?

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post #18

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Jeff Schmidt's book "Disciplined Minds" is a great read about this kind of thing -- http://disciplinedminds.tripod.com/ Here's some discussion from a review of Disciplined Minds by Brian Martin: > Jeff Schmidt provides an answer in his book Disciplined Minds: professionals, including teachers, are selected and molded to have politically and intellectually subordinate attitudes, thereby making their creative energies…

This insight should be more commonly accepted. That said - just like in Science - the consensus among thoughtfully educated people is probably 'more correct'. Where things can go wrong ... is when the systematic class is wrong, or where there is a value shift. Populism is a super example of this: educated business type see the world through economic lenses, and can't for a second understand how 'Brexit' could happen.…

>Populism is a super example of this: educated business type see the world through economic lenses, and can't for a second understand how 'Brexit' could happen.

The same thing comes up whenever we talk about splitting states or cities/towns in the US. Some people are like "why would you want that, it's not in your economic interest" and the people who want whatever the split is to happen reply "we'd rather be poor and in control of ourselves"

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