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Re: Ask HN: Having emotional breakdown

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Life is hard, let's go shopping. Oh wait. Seriously, you're just exactly like the average 21 year old introvert without a girlfriend. Most of us have been there, and we didn't post about it on internet forums. Geesh. I vote against all the advice to "go see a psychotherapist". The only psychotherapy you need is to stop making excuses and get the fuck out of your room. Go meet people. Do risky stuff. Look for the brig…

"The only psychotherapy you need is to stop making excuses and get the fuck out of your room. Go meet people. Do risky stuff. Look for the bright side of life. Let the bright side of life find you."

The whole "snap out of it" attitude is horrible advice and isn't helping anyone in major depression. You have no idea about any other details and problems the person may have and why they feel as if they are not up to their potential. Seeing a therapist can be one of the best things to happen.

Re: Ask HN: Having emotional breakdown

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Reading this, this is something I could have posted from my UG college days in India if HN had existed back then. Just trust me - things will better. Mail me (you can find my email address easily) if you want to talk to someone about how terrible being a teen hacker in Indian UG colleges can be.

I agree, brings back memories of my UG days, fortunately, I found a good bunch of friends and was able to make through college with only 4 years of lost productivity (but with a job).

You're 21, relax, join a few clubs, most Indian colleges have a IEEE branch where you might find some people who you can get along with. Find Topcoder (or some other community), I spent endless nights solving problems and learning a lot.

Consider college as any other system which is hackable, if you study the right things and get in the good side of some profs it could be a breeze and loads of fun. Most importantly, make friends I never gave networking any weight and apparently its the one of the most important skills you can have in the real world

Re: Ask HN: Having emotional breakdown

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I have been through the same phase. Let me give you some tips - * Immerse yourself in programming. You have no idea how much satisfaction you can get out of it. * Read. Read. Read. Start reading things. Read your CS books, non-fiction, etc. Read as much as you can. * Get active in some sort of Free/Open Source Software community. Pick a project you like and start contributing. Always good to have a goal (I will fix/f…

Get into IRC

God no. I've never known an IRC channel that was not moderated by egotistical losers. IRC is great for coding help, not socializing. He needs real people. Not another fat, lonely kid with ban privileges.

Re: Ask HN: Having emotional breakdown

#74
post #30

Life is hard, let's go shopping. Oh wait. Seriously, you're just exactly like the average 21 year old introvert without a girlfriend. Most of us have been there, and we didn't post about it on internet forums. Geesh. I vote against all the advice to "go see a psychotherapist". The only psychotherapy you need is to stop making excuses and get the fuck out of your room. Go meet people. Do risky stuff. Look for the brig…

A candid note to the above poster:

Now if only elitism caused depression, so people like you would understand just how much it destroys one's life -- its not called a disease for nothing.

Seriously, its people like the above who kept me from becoming a nerd because so many nerds struck me as insensitive, self-absorbed a-holes.

Now go back to Slashdot with the rest of the elitist jerkoffs. Or better yet, I really hope you suffer some horrible tragedy so you get a clue what this guy is going through (or just go listen to Tool's hooker with a penis and remember the guy maynard's talking about is You).

To the OP:

Treat depression like any other scientific problem: There are drugs that will help -- i.e. 5-htp, st. john's wort, for supplements -- for prescription -- Tianeptine (avoid SSRIs like the plague). Moderation and research is The key when using any drugs.

As much as the above guy was a jerkoff in terms of how he said it, he's partially right -- there are 3 different ways of dealing with depression:

1: (recommended) - Do your research, find tools - whether drugs (in moderation), meditiation, exercise, etc. and work (with patience!) on working through your depression.

2: Depend on friends, family

3: Get professional help

Also -- don't worry about being too nice a guy -- i.e. it took me a long time to realize its one of those things that people say in terms of "Do as I say, not as I do" -- I mean, don't become like the guy above, but also don't let people push you around or make you feel worthless -- as in the case of the poster above being a jerk, its probably just insecurity on their part.

One more thing, also partially in reply to the above -- in my experience, 21 and the few years proceeding it were the worst of my life (in my 30s now) -- so it can and will get better, just have patience and work through it.

Its taken me like 5 years to get my confidence slowly back, but it was the most productive 5 years of my life).

Just work through it using reason and patience.

Re: Ask HN: Having emotional breakdown

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I went through a powerful emotional breakdown over the past two years, and I have a counter-intuitive recommendation: Give up.

I don't mean abandon your plans or your dreams. I mean accept that your feelings of worthlessness have a connection with your hopes and desires. The more your identity is attached to the Hypothetical Someday, the less good you're going to feel about the you of Here Now Today.

If you accept that you'll probably never get everything that you want, and that you'll never be the person you wish you were (keep in mind, both of those things are moving targets), you can focus on who are now and where you are going.

Don't run from those dark thoughts and embarrassing memories. Invite them in for tea. Let them speak their piece. And then look them square in the eye and say "I don't need you."

Consciousness is a spotlight on a darkened, complex reality. The more you look for the things you don't like about yourself, the more you'll find. The more you find ways you could be better, the more you'll find ways you don't measure up.

Stop looking. Stop trying. Just be. Move forward and grow at whatever pace comes naturally. However far you go, it's better than sitting alone in the corner, wishing that you magically felt different, preventing yourself from doing anything at all.

"It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything."

Re: Ask HN: Having emotional breakdown

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You already have a lot of advice :) But I'll add that if you focus on negative memories a lot you may need to consider if you have OCD or an anxiety disorder, and the anhedonia could be a sign of depression. The best treatment for these disorders is a short term medication with longer term psychological treatment (normally cognitive behavioural therapy).

But, if a psychologist or psychiatrist is out of the question, you can try some cognitive behavioural therapy online for free and in private: http://moodgym.anu.edu.au/welcome> The study behind this website actually showed it was more effective than visiting a therapist in person! There's a decent number of CBT exercises to complete, and it seems quite a few people get better simply by using the site without any psychological intervention.

But more importantly: it's sometimes possible to channel your negative emotions to good use. But sometimes it's not, and that's OK. Forget the advice that you should just 'man up' - if you feel the need to reach out here then it's a sign that what you have may be more than just a low attitude. It's OK to ask for help, it's OK to get it, and regardless of whether there's a stigma attached to mental ill health, it's OK to get professional help. There's nothing 'wrong' with you, but you can get help for everything you've mentioned if you feel you need it.

Re: Ask HN: Having emotional breakdown

#77
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why on earth? That's not the best or safest way to get positive emotions, and in long terms leads nowhere.

"Best"--I'm not sure of, it's certainly up there though. "Safest"--It's quite safe, especially if done in the right set and setting [1]. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_and_setting

Regardless of the situation, the poster does not seem to be in a stable enough mental state for this kind of experience. While you may have had transformative experiences with these substances, you have to remember that there is a dark side as well. Going into a psychedelic trip with a depressed, lonely mindset could very well amplify that and cause the poster to do something unfortunate.

Maybe a guided MDMA experience would be better, so that the poster can talk through the issues with someone IRL. Still, it's not our place to be "prescribing" drugs to someone who really should be getting some professional opinions.

Re: Ask HN: Having emotional breakdown

#78
post #30

Life is hard, let's go shopping. Oh wait. Seriously, you're just exactly like the average 21 year old introvert without a girlfriend. Most of us have been there, and we didn't post about it on internet forums. Geesh. I vote against all the advice to "go see a psychotherapist". The only psychotherapy you need is to stop making excuses and get the fuck out of your room. Go meet people. Do risky stuff. Look for the brig…

Personally, when I was 21 and bummed I didn't have a girlfriend, I would have appreciated someone, anyone, telling me to MTFU and get out into the real world rather than sit in my room and whine about it on a forum.

While I appreciate that there's a chance that the OP does have a serious case of depression, I feel that it's a lot more likely that he just needs to get out there and enjoy himself. In either case, there are plenty of replies here catering to that possibility, so I don't think this reply is out of place here.

Re: Ask HN: Having emotional breakdown

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My friend you need professional help. We are not psychologists nor psychiatrists. For starters the only way to meet friends is to be outgoing, being an introvert makes this very hard, but if you really want to make friends you are going to have to deal with your issues and talk to people. Believe it or not, it gets better with time and as you grow. On the other part, grades don't mean a thing, and you really need to…

Buy a few books and build something in python, and when you're done reread the books and build something in python (this is a recursive sentence!). Well, no, it's not. But never mind. Still reasonably good advice...

It's an iterative sentence, but of course iteration and recursion are equivalent unless you're using a compiler that doesn't have the good sense to perform space-efficient tail call optimization. (Java, I'm looking at you.)

Seriously, though, it might be worth the OP's time to go light on classes, and look for some programming task that's fun. Find something cool. I've been really enjoying node.js, for example, because the community feels like a city full of still-under-construction buildings, with oddly dressed people smiling and lurching around spasmodically, occasionally making something amazing.

If you optimize for fun, you'll learn a lot faster than you would in most regular classes.

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