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China blacklists millions from booking flights as 'social credit' introduced

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Re: China blacklists millions from booking flights as 'social credit' introduced

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Post by jaclaz »

garyclarke27 wrote: post #3

Horrific predicted tech enabled dystopia now in China. Where next? what if airlines taxis and hotels shared ratings, would the west be so different? I hate Uber Airbnb pestering me for a rating every trip and the fact that I am rated as well. I don’t know or care what my rating is, but my wife does, she was upset recently by an Airbnb landlord in Belgrade, she gave us a bad rating because we had not deep cleaned the…

>... no hotel would expect such ...

Sure, and you and your wife were perfectly free to book a hotel as opposed to an AirBnB (which is NOT a hotel).

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Post by beaconstudios »

baybal2 wrote: post #7
garyclarke27 wrote: post #3

Horrific predicted tech enabled dystopia now in China. Where next? what if airlines taxis and hotels shared ratings, would the west be so different? I hate Uber Airbnb pestering me for a rating every trip and the fact that I am rated as well. I don’t know or care what my rating is, but my wife does, she was upset recently by an Airbnb landlord in Belgrade, she gave us a bad rating because we had not deep cleaned the…

Well, nonpersonhood is nothing new to China. Tenth of millions of people in China can't even get an ID because they don't have birth certificates, and without that you can't legally have a bank account, have a phone number, receive education, receive medical care, travel, own property, have family or even immigrate away from China. And the West has nevertheless kept quiet for long 28 years.

If you want to see non personhood, take a look at how falun gong are treated.

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Post by gtirloni »

ultim8k wrote: post #6

Why do people still live there (apart from those who cannot move)?

Where should 1.4bn go? Can they severe family ties that easily? Do they speak another language? Do they have the money for it? And more importantly, do they care that much? I think there are a fair big number of reasons why one wouldn't want to leave their homeland.

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Post by TangoTrotFox »

It's interesting that this seems so futuristic and dystopic yet in reading about the specifics it seems oddly reminiscent to social systems many centuries past. In particular it seems to effect similar results to what exile would have had at one time. But exile lost any meaning as the world become more globalized and connected -- where you physically are no longer really means anything. This system would enable the consequences of exile, but with national effect.

In a world with a perfectly impartial and objective government, I don't think this is a bad idea at all. The reason it's bad is because governments are made up of people, and people are corrupt. While it may initially be genuinely motivated by helping to improve society, over time it will devolve into a tool for special (and government) interests to incentivize actions that are to their benefit, and punish those against it -- regardless of the objective societal impact of those actions.

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Post by beaconstudios »

ultim8k wrote: post #6

Why do people still live there (apart from those who cannot move)?

Probably because the regime doesn't actively affect most people's lives much more than a regular government. It's just people who speak out or act out that get oppressed.

This is just me assuming, but is guess that China is OK for quiet, well behaved unquestioning citizens.

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Post by jaclaz »

Majestic121 wrote: post #9
kbad1000 wrote: post #4

Isn't it more like criminals or serious offenders can't fly? Will you allow a person who can possibly hijack the plane?

No, not necessarily. As pointed out in another comment : "Other infractions reportedly include smoking in non-smoking zones, buying too many video games and posting fake news online."

>No, not necessarily.

>As pointed out in another comment : "Other infractions reportedly include smoking in non-smoking zones ...

Well, last time someone lighted a cigarette on a plane ...

https://nypost.com/2018/05/30/plane-makes-emergency-landing-...

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Post by iagooar »

garyclarke27 wrote: post #3

Horrific predicted tech enabled dystopia now in China. Where next? what if airlines taxis and hotels shared ratings, would the west be so different? I hate Uber Airbnb pestering me for a rating every trip and the fact that I am rated as well. I don’t know or care what my rating is, but my wife does, she was upset recently by an Airbnb landlord in Belgrade, she gave us a bad rating because we had not deep cleaned the…

I thought Airbnb charges an extra for the final cleaning?

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Post by pelagic_sky »

Last time I had read about this topic the focus was mostly on people who had defaulted on loans. One of the punishments was to have their face/name posted on a billboard publicly shaming them. I wonder if people still didn't pay back the loans, but did public service, if that would improve their score?
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