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Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by pisky » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 11:06 AM UTC

idm wrote: post #46

zwaps wrote: post #18

So it does everything that Linux does, but you can also send all your personal data automatically to google. Wow, what a value proposition!

I made a separate account for the Chromebook. I don't associate any personal info with this account. Of course, most people will reuse their existing accounts, but it's not strictly required to provide personal details in order to use a Chromebook.

I did this for years until Google demanded a phone number in order to log in. (HN thread about it in my history.)

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by glenrivard » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 1:59 PM UTC

philips wrote: post #34

Anecdote: I stopped using OSX for primary development about 7 months ago and started using a Pixelbook + Crostini exclusively. Par - Hassle free desktop experience on par with OSX - Password managers, music apps, etc available via Android appstore Advantages - Fast time to productivity because Crostini takes a few clicks, then apt-get everything - Native "File Manager" integration makes it painless to move files to a…

Wow! Same. Replaced a Mac book pro with a Pixel book use for development and could not be happier. Also use Crostini.

Ultimately the cloud is gnu/linux and OS x is close but not the same.

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by azangru » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 2:50 PM UTC

type0 wrote: post #119

rifung wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disclaimer I work at Google My own personal reason is that I have never had an ideal experience running Linux on laptops. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy tinkering and it was fun when I was in school, but nowadays I don't have much time so if I want to develop something I don't want my time to be spent fixing technical difficulties. With Chrome OS the main benefit to me is the same as running OS X or Windows: you don't h…

> With Chrome OS the main benefit to me is the same as running OS X or Windows: you don't have to worry about your stuff working. Has not been my experience with either of these three. There are plenty of Linux distros that are miles more stable.

Yep, I've heard so many people complain about Windows subsystem for Linux that I am terrified of even touching Windows.

It's been mostly a smooth ride on MacOS for me, but there were some minor quirks that I encountered on MacOS that were not even an issue on my Linux machine (an example most vivid in my mind is how the default ssh client broke on High Sierra: https://superuser.com/questions/1279450/ssh-could-not-resolv... or how Docker on MacOS could not resolve ipv6 addresses).

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by sseth » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 4:22 PM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #10

azangru wrote: post #2

Interesting. Any advantage of using Chrome OS for Web development compared to just any plain Linux distro (e.g. Ubuntu)? Or, even more interesting, compared to MacOS? Because from the video, it feels as if Crostini is a second-class citizen on Chrome OS (all that talk about Linux in a container). Why choose Chrome OS at all?

After watching this session and having seen the focus on making Android apps better citizens shown at Google IO and Android Developer Summit, I got this gut feeling that Chrome OS might actually be where Google is heading to, and not Fuchsia. I don't envision they will keep three development teams doing OSes for the same hardware form factors. Now regarding ChromeOS vs plain GNU/Linux, macOS or Windows, I don't see a…

Or it may be that Chrome OS runs on fuchsia, and the 2nd linux kernel runs side by side for Crostini. But even if it did, this is at least a couple of years away, I think.

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by soared » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 5:18 PM UTC

superflyguy wrote: post #217

soared wrote: post #56

If anyone is looking to pick up a chromebook, I maintain an ongoing list of chromebook black friday deals that includes most of the relevant specs (except linux/android support) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12L9SM7k-Z6LSsGvdi7do...

That's great but could you make me a coffee so I have something to drink while I read it?

Beautiful

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by sridca » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 5:28 PM UTC

beefield wrote: post #209

sridca wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> - or even better, a used Thinnkpad + Linux which would be better than almost anything for 1/2 the cost. I do have a Thinkpad (running NixOS), however the battery life sucks. 2 hours for P71 (or 4 hours for X1C6). And hardware support is not perfect (I simply cannot figure out yet how to connect my Bose QC headphones via bluetooth). So I have high hopes for chromebooks (like Pixel Slate) because then you can have be…

> I do have a Thinkpad (running NixOS), however the battery life sucks. Do you have tlp set up? https://linrunner.de/en/tlp/docs/tlp-linux-advanced-power-ma...

Yup.

It's one-line config in NixOS (`services.tlp.enable = true;`).

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by chewz » Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 6:50 PM UTC

sridca wrote: post #182

chewz wrote: post #78

I am really happy with ChromeOS + Debian Stretch (via crouton not crostini) running on my Macbook Pro Retina. It has taken away all pains of macOS, the screen estate and keyboard (2015 model) are great. What's not to like? But what I like most is the ability to re-create my working environment on any hardware from USB key in 15 minutes.

> what I like most is the ability to re-create my working environment on any hardware from USB key in 15 minutes Could you elaborate on this?

Well, I keep an install of ChromeOS on USB flash drive and I do regular backups [1] of crouton partition with Debian (cli only - 3.4 GB currently in my case).

If I do not have my laptop with me I can install ChromeOS on any machine which takes maximum 15 minutes [depending on flash drive and USB speed]. Log in and entire ChromeOS graphical environment (bookmarks, Chrome extensions, ChromeOS apps, Web apps) is re-created automatically by ChromeOS from my Google account.

Then re-creating crouton partition with Debian takes another 5 minutes. And I am good to go, because this is exact 1:1 copy of my Debian terminal environment with Vim, mutt, Mail folder, all project folders, npm packages, pip packages, git and everything.

On new machine the screen could have different resolution, perhaps I have to login into few webpages in Chrome but it is generally my full environment.

I did so in summer when I have not taken my Mac to vacation and also I often move to spare Lenovo laptop if I need to.

[1] https://github.com/dnschneid/crouton/wiki/Backups

Re: Chrome OS: Ready for Web Development [video]

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Post by cztomsik » Fri, Nov 23, 2018, 12:20 PM UTC

philips wrote: post #164

cztomsik wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More productive in what exactly? What are you developing? What problems you had with OSX? (not meant to be offensive, just curious)

More productive because I don't spend time fighting all of the little silly OSX to Linux incompatibilities in a dev environment. Things like: - sed / grep flags - path issues compiling some C module or node module - homebrew missing obscure package These aren't things that kill productivity on the regular but once a month I found myself going down some rabbit hole or another fixing things like that. I develop a range…

fair point, I can't tell anything other than that I was so far lucky. I do a lot of web/node development and none of the issues was yet related to OSX (for the whole 4-5 years I'm on mac).

you're 100% correct that apple has crippled version of some tools but it's possible to replace them from brew but I think I know where you're heading - it's probably just easier to use linux when you're doing these things - just like I was switching to mac when I wanted to do node.

BTW: I was switching from windows, not from linux, I actually think linux is fine and I'm happily using it on other machines, just not on this one :-)