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The World Will Be Our Skinner Box

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Re: The World Will Be Our Skinner Box

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No, it doesn't have to be, but I have very little faith in Google to make any choices that even border on altruistic when it's far more profitable to exploit us. I think there's a case to be made here that Google's motivations can mirror those of the users and that it's in Google's best long term interest for that to be the case. It seems obvious to me that a company that can be aligned with their customer's desires…

> Rather, my point is that there is no law of economics that guarantees users and corporations must be in conflict or that corporations will always do better financially by exploiting users to the users' detriment (or that a competitor that does that will beat one that doesn't). But isn't there? I think the core point of Meditations on Moloch[0] was that there kind of is , that in the limit, competitive environments…

I mean nothing written here isn't already covered more thoroughly in undergraduate economics curricula.

However those don't conflict with my point that there is nothing preventing a firm and the sum of their users from having strictly aligned goals in the context of their relationship.

Competition simply means that there could be other firms who may be able to align their goals with users goals more tightly, and run the other firm out of business. Much more to be probed here, like consistency, short and long term goals and desire/goal uncertainty on the part of the user and firm. None of those seem to be intractable issues.

Re: The World Will Be Our Skinner Box

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Kind of reminds me about how they say the highest level of automation of self-driving cars will be no steering wheel. Who decided that that was higher on the scale and a good thing? The "progress" defined here is complete control over all actions of individuals in society by an AI god. These scales by which progress toward the future is measured are a key ingredient of social engineering. One task that Free Software…

The "progress" defined here is complete control over all actions of individuals in society by an AI god. Umm, no, the "progress" is machines that I don't have to micro-manage anymore. Imagine an oven in your house that you had to constantly adjust to keep it at the desired temperature. No, that would be stupid, we've solved that problem decades ago. Now imagine a car that you had to control by hand with the necessary…

  "Hey, oven, make your interior 425F so I can bake a pizza."
What could possibly go wrong?

Assuming that you didn't leave a dish in there the night before.

And that your child didn't hide a favorite toy in there... or a sibling.

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