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Re: Popular dark-web hosting provider hacked, 6,500 sites down

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Post by ryanmercer »

jabberthemutt wrote: post #125
busterarm wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You and the other commenter are missing the point. I'm not stating either of those. The motivation for hosting something like this is to hide what you're hosting in a bunch of noise. Legal or illegal. Your goal is to make it hard to gather metadata about the service. There are perfectly legitimate reasons to want that... That said, it's a foregone conclusion that if you host a service like this, people who want to di…

> you deserve to serve consecutive life sentences in prison and whatever harm befalls those in prison who get found out as pedos Pedophilia by itself is not harmful to anyone. It is those who physically act in their urges or support the creation of CP media that are harmful. Passive consumption is not something I would blindly use as reason to wish someone harm. Instead I wish them psychological support to overcome t…

> Passive consumption is not something I would blindly use as reason to wish someone harm.

Consumption tells the filthy creatures making the material that it is in demand, and they make more. How the hell are you defending pedophilia?!

Re: Popular dark-web hosting provider hacked, 6,500 sites down

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Post by belorn »

superkuh wrote: post #4

Man, why do people insist on using others to host their tor hidden services? It seems like the last thing you'd want or need to do. It's super simple to set up a hidden service from your home computer and host. I've been putting all my clear web sites on tor as well for years. Lots of bot traffic but never any problems and plenty of real traffic too.

Security has many different parts and objective, and it depend on the exact use case. If someone is hosting information on a public website they likely do not care about confidentiality, and they can already have a setup for backups. In that case all they might want from a host service is uptime and by using tor they get .

Naturally there are still risk with using a hosting service even when all information is intended to be public. The owner might change the content (integrity of the data), and it might be removed (denial of service), which is trade off for the convenience of not having to host it yourself and the uptime of 24/7 servers.

Re: Popular dark-web hosting provider hacked, 6,500 sites down

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Post by adminu »

rootsudo wrote: post #97
adminu wrote: post #94

I don't get Daniel Hosting... Why did he offer free hosting? What was the business model? He said, you are not allowed to host illegal content according to German law, i wonder how he managed to maintain this state with 6.5k pages up. In the end it would be quite easy to raid him for some CP, quite a risk for what gain?

Because why not? Not everything is a business and if you believe Tor as a right of privacy in the digital age and you wish to make it available to everyone, why not? Censorship comes in many forms, and technological literacy in the form of running a LAMP Stack and knowing how to modify apache is slim in the world, php/mysql, forget about it. 6.5K pages is not a lot of data, especially for interactive and probably non…

Not everything is a business but many other hobbies have a way lower probability to put you in jail.

Re: Popular dark-web hosting provider hacked, 6,500 sites down

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Post by rodolphoarruda »

S-E-P wrote: post #101
rodolphoarruda wrote: post #48

> there are no backups. Interesting. If I were into this kind of activity I would love to have backups designed, implemented and maintained the "dark" way. It seems to me that by just running the services you are not 100% into this business. You'd have to come up with the whole "dark ops" approach.

What would you define as a "dark" way. The "dark" way is to assure that any and all traffic and interactions are anonymous as possible. Keeping a record of communications/behaviors is the direct antithesis of this. The "dark" way is to never backup

I always thought that communications/behaviors are not a problem once parties remain anonymous or unidentifiable.

Re: Popular dark-web hosting provider hacked, 6,500 sites down

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Post by busterarm »

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #130
jabberthemutt wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you deserve to serve consecutive life sentences in prison and whatever harm befalls those in prison who get found out as pedos Pedophilia by itself is not harmful to anyone. It is those who physically act in their urges or support the creation of CP media that are harmful. Passive consumption is not something I would blindly use as reason to wish someone harm. Instead I wish them psychological support to overcome t…

"Passive consumption" enables the industry that creates this content to exist in the first place. It is not victimless. This is not a difficult concept to understand. That said, I agree with your point that these people need help and support and that blindly locking them away for looking at pictures on the internet is generally not a good use of resources.

Would you say there's a further point of distinction between someone who just looks and someone who shares it with others?

I'm specifically talking about the latter case, even though I personally see no such distinction.

I will concede your point that rehabilitation is a possibility, but a crime was committed and that help and support can begin in prison.

Re: Popular dark-web hosting provider hacked, 6,500 sites down

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Post by busterarm »

jabberthemutt wrote: post #125
busterarm wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You and the other commenter are missing the point. I'm not stating either of those. The motivation for hosting something like this is to hide what you're hosting in a bunch of noise. Legal or illegal. Your goal is to make it hard to gather metadata about the service. There are perfectly legitimate reasons to want that... That said, it's a foregone conclusion that if you host a service like this, people who want to di…

> you deserve to serve consecutive life sentences in prison and whatever harm befalls those in prison who get found out as pedos Pedophilia by itself is not harmful to anyone. It is those who physically act in their urges or support the creation of CP media that are harmful. Passive consumption is not something I would blindly use as reason to wish someone harm. Instead I wish them psychological support to overcome t…

The fact that you have to make a throwaway account to voice such an opinion makes it clear that you know that it is indefensible.

What are your real motives?

See, I don't have to make a throwaway account, and I'll tell you right here that in my youth I had two different pedos in my life attempting to groom me into being victimized. I guess the nature of predation made me a target because of my vulnerability at the time. Luckily I got through that part of my life unhurt, but when I think about it -- just barely.

All those people whose pictures are being looked at did _not_ get away unhurt and those that consume such material deserve to rot.

Re: Popular dark-web hosting provider hacked, 6,500 sites down

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Post by dejaime »

belorn wrote: post #131
runn1ng wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you saw the state of hidden web, you would agree. There are very few hidden services and most of them are... questionable. The article cites child porn. That's about right.

Either the HN link has changed or the article has been edited but the word porn is not found in the article.

They changed the link. It was pointing to another one that cited this one as the source and added -even more- speculation on top of it.

Re: Popular dark-web hosting provider hacked, 6,500 sites down

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Post by dejaime »

busterarm wrote: post #124
jorblumesea wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, and the biggest users of cryptography are criminals. Only the guilty lock their car doors, right?

You and the other commenter are missing the point. I'm not stating either of those. The motivation for hosting something like this is to hide what you're hosting in a bunch of noise. Legal or illegal. Your goal is to make it hard to gather metadata about the service. There are perfectly legitimate reasons to want that... That said, it's a foregone conclusion that if you host a service like this, people who want to di…

They were not hosting any CP. That is not proven. As it stands, this is a simple service takedown. Actually, this is speculation added by the sensationalist https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com website, the original source doesn't even mention it.

I mean, they even believe this is a zero day attack, I can't simply trust the quality of any information there.

Edit: they updated the link, here's the old link - https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2018/11/21/hacker-erases-65...

Re: Popular dark-web hosting provider hacked, 6,500 sites down

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Post by dejaime »

dejaime wrote: post #147
belorn wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either the HN link has changed or the article has been edited but the word porn is not found in the article.

They changed the link. It was pointing to another one that cited this one as the source and added -even more- speculation on top of it.

Here you go https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2018/11/21/hacker-erases-65...

This adds speculation and sensationalism on top of an ill informed article. They even defined it as a 0-day vulnerability, when it is obviously not the case as explained by the article itself. Can't simply trust the quality of the information in there.

Re: Popular dark-web hosting provider hacked, 6,500 sites down

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Post by busterarm »

dejaime wrote: post #148
busterarm wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You and the other commenter are missing the point. I'm not stating either of those. The motivation for hosting something like this is to hide what you're hosting in a bunch of noise. Legal or illegal. Your goal is to make it hard to gather metadata about the service. There are perfectly legitimate reasons to want that... That said, it's a foregone conclusion that if you host a service like this, people who want to di…

They were not hosting any CP. That is not proven. As it stands, this is a simple service takedown. Actually, this is speculation added by the sensationalist https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com website, the original source doesn't even mention it. I mean, they even believe this is a zero day attack, I can't simply trust the quality of any information there. Edit: they updated the link, here's the old link - https://naked…

Again, if it walks like a duck.

Freedom Hosting was the biggest service and it served CP. Freedom Hosting II was the biggest service and it served CP. Daniel's Hosting was the biggest service -- what do you think it served?

CP is the reason Operation DarkNet et al target these platforms for destruction.

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