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Why Aren't There C Conferences?

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Re: Why Aren't There C Conferences?

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Post by aap_ »

mscasts wrote: post #349
beat wrote: post #91

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Point me to a compiler or interpreter, any of them, that isn't either written in C or written in something that was written in C. And of course, whatever you play with, it's running on an operating system written in C. If programming is turtles all the way down, C is the bottom turtle, standing on the solid ground of Von Neumann architecture. The point is, C is utterly pervasive. Everything that we think is different…

The very first C compiler wasn't written in C though.

In that case the first C compiler also didn't compile C.

Re: Why Aren't There C Conferences?

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Post by pjmlp »

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #350
pjmlp wrote: post #341

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Yet many still haven't learned to use lint like tooling, initially developed in 1979.

Sounds like a good topic for a conference talk ;)

It is not for lack of trying, check out the Linux Kernel Summit 2018 talks.

The problem is on the receiving end.

Re: Why Aren't There C Conferences?

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Post by antirez »

klodolph wrote: post #240
antirez wrote: post #195

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Maybe "killed" is a strong word. My feeling is that when Google exposed that part of the internet to the web, it became interesting for spammers to target USENET much more than in the past, which was a very strong contributing factor for USENET to die. Moreover once no longer an "hidden gem" many felt exposed posting to USENET, now that it was trivially web accessible.

My feeling is that the web was becoming larger and more accessible every year, and that while Google probably did that more than anyone else, you could equally blame AOL for providing NNTP access to the general public in 1993, or Deja News for starting their archive work in 1995, or Google for their indexing work starting in 2001. That's just assigning a name and face to economic forces, though. It's the underlying e…

Yes, what you say surely makes a lot of sense. Maybe there is to start some form of forum that is very unpleasant to use, like, just having a command line interface to access it... and vim as editor :-D

Re: Why Aren't There C Conferences?

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Post by Svoka »

ngngngng wrote: post #94
Svoka wrote: post #13

Lets be honest: conferences exist to waste time. Nothing productive gets done on conferences and best thing you can take our from them is to socialize with like-minded people.

Lets be honest: lunch exists to waste time. Nothing productive gets done at lunch and best thing you can take out from them is to socialize with like-minded people.

you need nutrition to stay alive and function. It is essential to being productive.

Re: Why Aren't There C Conferences?

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Post by dcbadacd »

bitwize wrote: post #293
simias wrote: post #214

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I agree. I'm mostly a C coder but I've been on the Rust train since pretty early and I remember being pretty confused when they started putting emphasis on the Rust branding with logos, the whole "rustacean" thing, conferences, forums etc... In hindsight I get it but originally there was a bit of a culture shock. I mean I don't wear C T-shirts and as far as I can tell there's not really a standard C logo either. Mayb…

In order to avoid becoming a niche language nobody uses due to the network effects of C's ubiquity, and to achieve its goal of completely replacing C as much as is practically feasible, Rust needs buy-in and what economists call pre-committing. That is to say, it needs thought leaders to accept that Rust is the future and commit to building things in Rust, even when it doesn't make sense to do so in the current clima…

I'm really sorry, but I'd kind-of want to know exactly, why aliased pointers are bad?

Re: Why Aren't There C Conferences?

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Post by lucisferre »

I think a better question is why are there so many {language/framework} conferences?

Why should a conference be so narrowly focused when the problems faced by software developers largely don't change based on the choice of tooling, and in fact learning about how different tooling choices provide different costs and benefits when solving these problems is particularly interesting and useful knowledge.

Re: Why Aren't There C Conferences?

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Post by steveklabnik »

nineteen999 wrote: post #227
steveklabnik wrote: post #219

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Oh yeah, I don’t mean to imply chucklefish is AAA. I don’t have a ton of info about SEED, pretty much https://twitter.com/gwihlidal/status/1065036212220698624 says > Halcyon itself is still largely C++, but a lot of data pipelines and servers are written with rust, and quite a few rendering experiments, as well. Enough pieces are being developed to build up enough critical mass for 3D, though! and https://twitter.com…

That's great to see even if it's still early days. Thank you also for being a great proponent for the Rust community, your thoughtful and considered answers here have helped convince me to look into Rust more over the longer term, whereas the foam-at-the-mouth types completely send me in the other direction.

So the Ready at Dawn folks just put this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-txrCMvdms&feature=youtu.be

... this is one of the most interesting introductions to a Rust package that I've ever seen.

Re: Why Aren't There C Conferences?

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Post by fishtoaster »

voltagex_ wrote: post #292
fishtoaster wrote: post #82

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I dunno- I just got back from rubyconf where I both gave and watched talks on metaprogramming with no web focus at all. There was a great illustrated talk featuring lemurs that was just a walkthrough of rebuilding various enumerable methods with reduce. Other ones that I went to: - a "how ruby's GC works" talk - A deep dive into how a core dev found + fixed memory usage in ruby - The unexpected pitfalls of sublassing…

Offtopic: The waffle talk is listed at https://rubyconf.org/program#session-697 and it may have been recorded. These are my favourite kinds of talks at conferences.

Iirc all the talks were recorded by confreaks. They said they'll be up within a month of the conference. That _was_ an excellent talk - the presenter was very engaging. :)
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