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Re: Slow Software

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Post by 52-6F-62 » Thu, Nov 22, 2018, 3:46 PM UTC

em500 wrote: post #109

coder543 wrote: post #70

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For practical purposes, that's not true. Macs do not allow running unsigned software by default, and no one runs antivirus on Mac, ever. So even if they were commonly being infected, which they aren't, the person above would have organizational indemnity if someone were infected because they're following industry best practices by not running antivirus on Mac. If you want, you can further restrict Macs to only App St…

> Macs do not allow running unsigned software by default, and no one runs antivirus on Mac, ever. My company-issued MBP is running something called "Cylance Protect" (and "TrendMicro" earlier). And also something called "Forecpoint DLP". I have no control over any of that, software just appears and disappears. I think it's done by something called "Jamf". I don't really care either way. The only thing I actually use…

Haha I just made another comment to a similar effect. We had McAfee but I stripped it out because it was just so terrible.

We also have the Forcepoint nonsense.

Re: Slow Software

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Post by pier25 » Thu, Nov 22, 2018, 3:49 PM UTC

majewsky wrote: post #146

HankB99 wrote: post #42

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I care. One of my worst slow system experiences is my "new" Xfinity X1 "Entertainment System." Latency to remote control button press is on the order of a second or more. Worse than that, it will put prompts up on screen and not be ready for the input. For example, when I finish watching a recorded program it puts op a "Delete" prompt. If O press the OK button when this prompt appears, nothing happens. I have to wait…

I had an LG "Smart" TV for a year. It was horrible. Suppose that I want to change the channel to number 54: 1. Pick up remote. Type "5", "4", "OK". Put down remote. 2. Wait for 5 seconds. A "5" appears on the screen. 3. Wait for 2 seconds. A "4" appears on the screen. 4. Wait for 2 seconds. Channel switches. I sold it and got a 40" screen for my PC instead. The PC actually boots faster than the "Smart" TV.

Smart TVs are generally terrible. It's usually better to just use an Nvidia Shield or an Apple TV for the smart functionality.

Manufacturers like LG and Samsung are terrible at UX/UI, and then you have others using Android TV which is great but using crappy low performance SOCs like Sony does.

Re: Slow Software

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Post by lostgame » Thu, Nov 22, 2018, 4:05 PM UTC

dandare wrote: post #160

Input latency, I can understand. Web latency, at least you know what you are paying for (trackers, fonts, bloated stylesheets, MBs of JS libraries...). But core software latency, that is pure madness. Android share menu: what on earth takes 500ms-2000ms to display a menu?? Android scrolling: I could have a smoother scrolling if I rendered the view on a wall in Doom III. Why on earth is the scrolling process not prior…

I also work in corporate - my 2017 Touchbar feels insanely slower than my partner's 2013, or sometimes even my late 2011.

Not to mention the awful keyboard and non-upgradable parts.

Outlook is a nightmare - heck, the Office suite has been awful essentially since it's rewrite from being PPC-only for 2008.

Not only did we have to wait way too long for a native Intel version / Universal Binary - but when it arrived, it was slow and clunky on both pieces of hardware.

But worse than office - our entire team is now being migrated to cloud-based email that virtualizes itself in an IE window, and responds to clicks and scrolls about 40% of the time.

It looks awful, it performs awful, I've never experienced quite a terrible piece of software. Weird, virtualized, Office 365 - unless you're on Windows, I couldn't imagine this working for you.

Re: Slow Software

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Post by jaxn » Thu, Nov 22, 2018, 4:18 PM UTC

setquk wrote: post #87

jaxn wrote: post #73

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Microsoft Defender destroys WSL performance unless you create exclusions.

Then there’s NTFS behind that. Just use a VM. Ten times faster.

For what I am using it for, a VM is not faster than WSL. Maybe in the early days, but not now.

Re: Slow Software

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Post by greenyouse » Thu, Nov 22, 2018, 4:24 PM UTC

gleenn wrote: post #2

I like how the site is an example of very fast software, such a simple design and it renders immediately; a single file load with the tiniest of javascript to make the videos work. A full page load in 27ms with only 14kb transferred!

The only nitpick I have is that the sidebar comments are built in a weird way. They're nested in the middle of the paragraphs inside small tags. It would be a little nicer if they split the sidebar text into aside tags that come after the paragraph.

It's refreshing to see a site that loads quickly though. That would've been a bit hypocritical otherwise :p

Re: Slow Software

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Post by rgacote » Thu, Nov 22, 2018, 4:24 PM UTC

coder543 wrote: post #70

godDLL wrote: post #65

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While running a Linux stack may still work, your Mac info is outdated by three years, at least. Macs have entered the zoo in 2015.

For practical purposes, that's not true. Macs do not allow running unsigned software by default, and no one runs antivirus on Mac, ever. So even if they were commonly being infected, which they aren't, the person above would have organizational indemnity if someone were infected because they're following industry best practices by not running antivirus on Mac. If you want, you can further restrict Macs to only App St…

> and no one runs antivirus on Mac, ever. Work at small company. Have Eset NOD32 on all Macs. It is possible to install non-signed software (I sometimes install development tools from small companies who do not have signing cert, if I'm comfortable with their reputation). It's also possible something could sneak through in a PDF, Word Doc, homebrew/ports install, etc.

Re: Slow Software

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Post by godDLL » Thu, Nov 22, 2018, 4:29 PM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #91

godDLL wrote: post #65

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While running a Linux stack may still work, your Mac info is outdated by three years, at least. Macs have entered the zoo in 2015.

> Macs have entered the zoo in 2015. What "zoo"? To this day, Macs are practically virus-less, which they always where (99.999% of the scares in the media were for trojans, and even those at worse affected something like 1-5% of the total user base) -- nothing like the good ole Windows (XP and pre) days where after 1 day surfing the web you'd have a few viruses. And of course if you go with the default options (gatek…

> To this day, Macs are practically virus-less

Exactly what I'm talking about. Not to this day, but to some time back in 2015. Right now any trojan toolchain on the black market comes with a Mac-targeted package.

Re: Slow Software

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Post by godDLL » Thu, Nov 22, 2018, 4:30 PM UTC

setquk wrote: post #88

godDLL wrote: post #65

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While running a Linux stack may still work, your Mac info is outdated by three years, at least. Macs have entered the zoo in 2015.

I believe you mean “finished” not “out of date”.

Actually I chose my words carefully. Even though malware guys have started targeting Macs about three years back actual infestations are uncommon.

Re: Slow Software

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Post by godDLL » Thu, Nov 22, 2018, 4:33 PM UTC

richjdsmith wrote: post #85

godDLL wrote: post #63

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I went into construction, and then industrial alpinism with tree-trimming inclination starting 2016. But before I did that, the one-before-the-last place I've tried to work was this hostile environment where everything was Windows and MS-based, as far as what we were meant to use for work. I couldn't bring my own lappy. I ended up writing an AutoHotkey script that would get mouse scrolling about 80% sane and manage m…

What is industrial alpinism?

I go up a rope or down a rope. Up a tree or a building, down a building/wall or a well. Do some tree trimming, sometimes construction tasks. Mounting stuff disassembling stuff, sending it down, or up another rope. Fun stuff.

Do an internet search for TreeUp.

Re: Slow Software

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Post by ploxiln » Thu, Nov 22, 2018, 4:49 PM UTC

cco wrote: post #77

ploxiln wrote: post #44

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Jira is in a league of its own. With latest stable Firefox on a Macbook Pro from 2014, I get a full 10 seconds loading time for the notifications sidebar. Every click in Jira takes between 5 and 15 seconds. It is absolutely nuts and it seems like many people just don't understand how insanely bad it is (but obviously many engineers do ;) Meanwhile my browser can load, render, and scroll a 4000 line colored diff in le…

Are you on Jira Could? I've never seen a self hosted Jira instance that slow.

Yes, it's the Atlassian-hosted version. I have heard that they did a complete re-write for the on-premise version, but will probably never be able to replace the old codebase ...