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Re: Amp – A complete text editor for the terminal

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Post by nickspacek »

michaelmrose wrote: post #21
apas wrote: post #12

Installed it and played around for a bit. Nice work overall. Amp's jump mode (press `f` and elements in the buffer will be prefixed with a two character jump token) is pretty cool. Would love to see this in Vim.

The irony. Easymotion was created as a better precisejump. Precisejump was created or at least uploaded in Feb 2011.

It's funny isn't it. I guess I don't try hard enough to find productivity-enhancing Vim plugins. I've tried various "Vim enhancement suites" intended to bring a number of useful plugins and had some success, but since I can't rely on them on new servers I find myself more often than not just using plain Vim.

Some other commenters in the thread have raised the point that having more supported functionality out of the box is a good selling feature. To me it seems that having it built it can (possibly) benefit from a more intentional effort to make it cohesive, whereas with many disparate plugins you have to encourage, force, or otherwise guide developers to build something that fits and behaves with the rest of the platform.

Re: Amp – A complete text editor for the terminal

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Post by v_lisivka »

ehsankia wrote: post #36
patrickmcnamara wrote: post #24

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I do wish there were more modal, terminal-based text editors that weren't so similar to Vim. Kakoune is Vim-like, and now this.

I on the other hand would like to see other non-modal editors. Vim is already the best and most customizable modal editor, but does anyone know a good non-modal editor beyond basic nano?

mcedit (part of mc) in gnome-terminal currently the best non-modal editor, AFAIK, especially when you like to use mc to navigate file system.

Re: Amp – A complete text editor for the terminal

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Post by phlyingpenguin »

tbrock wrote: post #47
mario0b1 wrote: post #6

>A modal, keyboard-driven interface inspired by Vim that makes navigating and editing text fast. But what does it do different than vim? Having competition is good, but I don't see any "that's why you should use amp and not vim"-reason. Where is it?

I thought it was pretty clear actually: it works out of the box with no configuration (batteries included). > Amp is complete from the start. As a long time vim user, the more advanced you get the more customized your vimrc and plugins become and you aren’t able to just walk up to vim somewhere else and be efficient (pairing with another vim user becomes impossible). Shared defaults are a powerful thing! Convention o…

> it works out of the box with no configuration (batteries included).

You don't really believe that, do you? Competent users tend to have preferences. There's no need to worry about installing plugins if you have to have a .vimrc to begin with, just have the .vimrc do the installing as well.

Re: Amp – A complete text editor for the terminal

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Post by __Joker »

DC-3 wrote: post #50
monotypical wrote: post #39

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being written in rust might make it more appealing to develop, but it doesn't give any benefit to the user and I can't see it being a reason for someone to use this over vim

Rust programs tend to be more stable, more efficient, and more highly parallelized than equivalents written in other languages by developers of the same quality.

Again, I am not sure when is the last time vim crashed on my *nix set up. Not trying to sound unreasonable but in this argument of VIM/amp it might not be relevant.

Re: Amp – A complete text editor for the terminal

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Post by tom_mellior »

nerdponx wrote: post #11
cbkeller wrote: post #8

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Sounds like navigation might be different, but the linked page is a bit cryptic: > Fast, precise cursor movement without repetitive keystrokes or fancy expressions. Look where you'd like to move, and type the token. That's it. Digging a bit more, I found this [1] (in addition to the normal h,j,k,l, etc.): > Jump Mode > Press f to switch to jump mode. Elements on-screen will be prefixed with a two character jump token…

This is similar to the vim-sneak plugin for Vim: https://github.com/justinmk/vim-sneak It's very useful.

Looks similar to the Emacs Ace Jump mode too: https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/AceJump

Re: Amp – A complete text editor for the terminal

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Post by Mashimo »

phlyingpenguin wrote: post #53
tbrock wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought it was pretty clear actually: it works out of the box with no configuration (batteries included). > Amp is complete from the start. As a long time vim user, the more advanced you get the more customized your vimrc and plugins become and you aren’t able to just walk up to vim somewhere else and be efficient (pairing with another vim user becomes impossible). Shared defaults are a powerful thing! Convention o…

> it works out of the box with no configuration (batteries included). You don't really believe that, do you? Competent users tend to have preferences. There's no need to worry about installing plugins if you have to have a .vimrc to begin with, just have the .vimrc do the installing as well.

I have not tried amp yet, but just as an example why I switched shell. I use fish shell because of the sane defaults. I don't want to be bothered with setting up code completion and history size.

Just install it and use it. Works.

I like projects that provide similar experience.

Re: Amp – A complete text editor for the terminal

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Post by wasted_intel »

tbrock wrote: post #47
mario0b1 wrote: post #6

>A modal, keyboard-driven interface inspired by Vim that makes navigating and editing text fast. But what does it do different than vim? Having competition is good, but I don't see any "that's why you should use amp and not vim"-reason. Where is it?

I thought it was pretty clear actually: it works out of the box with no configuration (batteries included). > Amp is complete from the start. As a long time vim user, the more advanced you get the more customized your vimrc and plugins become and you aren’t able to just walk up to vim somewhere else and be efficient (pairing with another vim user becomes impossible). Shared defaults are a powerful thing! Convention o…

Author of amp here and I couldn't have explained this any better.

Re: Amp – A complete text editor for the terminal

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Post by gdfasfklshg4 »

__Joker wrote: post #54
DC-3 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rust programs tend to be more stable, more efficient, and more highly parallelized than equivalents written in other languages by developers of the same quality.

Again, I am not sure when is the last time vim crashed on my *nix set up. Not trying to sound unreasonable but in this argument of VIM/amp it might not be relevant.

It depends upon plugins. My Vim is quite prone to crashing but I'm fairly sure it is one of my plugins.

Re: Amp – A complete text editor for the terminal

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Post by wasted_intel »

phlyingpenguin wrote: post #53
tbrock wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought it was pretty clear actually: it works out of the box with no configuration (batteries included). > Amp is complete from the start. As a long time vim user, the more advanced you get the more customized your vimrc and plugins become and you aren’t able to just walk up to vim somewhere else and be efficient (pairing with another vim user becomes impossible). Shared defaults are a powerful thing! Convention o…

> it works out of the box with no configuration (batteries included). You don't really believe that, do you? Competent users tend to have preferences. There's no need to worry about installing plugins if you have to have a .vimrc to begin with, just have the .vimrc do the installing as well.

Amp, and convention over configuration in general, don't prevent configuration, they just try to avoid it. There are a bunch of things you can configure in Amp, if you'd like: https://amp.rs/docs/#configuration

Re: Amp – A complete text editor for the terminal

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Post by oblio »

phlyingpenguin wrote: post #53
tbrock wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought it was pretty clear actually: it works out of the box with no configuration (batteries included). > Amp is complete from the start. As a long time vim user, the more advanced you get the more customized your vimrc and plugins become and you aren’t able to just walk up to vim somewhere else and be efficient (pairing with another vim user becomes impossible). Shared defaults are a powerful thing! Convention o…

> it works out of the box with no configuration (batteries included). You don't really believe that, do you? Competent users tend to have preferences. There's no need to worry about installing plugins if you have to have a .vimrc to begin with, just have the .vimrc do the installing as well.

Fragmentation also hurts the ecosystem. Just look at Linux distributions or desktop environments to see the effects.

The best thing is to provide some sensible overridable defaults and basic functionality expected these days from a programmer's editor, such as simple project management: index files, fuzzy file finder, etc. Vim and Emacs are a pain in the butt for precisely this reason: they don't take ANY decision, they just throw the entire burden on the user. They're forgiven because they're classics, but any kind of editor launched in 2018 would be utterly ignored if it didn't have these features.

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