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Ask HN: Why not more hiring of junior devs, then on-the-job-training?
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Re: Ask HN: Why not more hiring of junior devs, then on-the-job-training?
#52The weirdest part about this is how many companies fail to properly estimate the degree to which per-project on-the-job-training / on-boarding is inevitable even if you check every language/datastore/framework/tooling box they could possibly ask for. Checking those boxes can be helpful, but unless there's no value in your software other than that provided by the l/d/f/t, your software has something like domain specific knowledge. Or at least a somewhat niche linear combination of other pieces of such knowledge. And a person who can fill in those blanks on their own -- as seems to be expected for a fair number of positions -- is probably capable of filling in l/d/f/t gaps too.
(OP: email's in the profile if you're interested in making a potential contact; hiring is on the horizon where I'm at.)
Re: Ask HN: Why not more hiring of junior devs, then on-the-job-training?
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>Don't quit your job without your next source of income secured. I guess this is the takeaway from a self preservation standpoint, but the alternative is worse. Spending months of your employer's time completely mentally checked out, taking sick time and vacation for interviews, pretending like you care in meetings, it's all too much. I watched that happen multiple times before I left, and it's really discourteous to…
When you quit, you lose leverage. It's not unethical to use personal and vacation days as you see fit.
They are your days to use, however you feel like. Hell, you really should be entitled to use your lunch hour if you want, but that might be my blue-collar roots in jobs where I actually clocked out for lunch and had mandated 9am and 3pm breaks showing through...
Re: Ask HN: Why not more hiring of junior devs, then on-the-job-training?
#54EDIT: to people emailing me (thanks!), I am currently on PTO overseas so I will respond, but maybe not super timely. Also, we're looking for our first QA and our first DevOps role if non-SEs are reading...
If you're willing to work in Texas, send me an email (check my profile). We absolutely do not mind if you have gaps.
semi-OT: To all people in this thread who say there is no shortage of developers: if you know any of these developers willing to work in Texas, send them my way!
We are struggling to hire for front-end/full-stack developers. It isn't a problem with pay - we offer quite competitively AND Texas has low cost of living! The problem is that we seem to get people who can't pass variations of fizzbuzz (i.e., implement max, min, mean, median on a list) or who we filter out after an intro call due to red flags (claimed to be a web application security specialist but also claimed no experience with web browser APIs, another that claimed to be an expert in databases but didn't know what a schema was!).
I am willing to believe the talent is out there, but we are having a hard time tapping into it.
Re: Ask HN: Why not more hiring of junior devs, then on-the-job-training?
#55Re: Ask HN: Why not more hiring of junior devs, then on-the-job-training?
#56False premise. There is no shortage of devs. That has been a complete fabrication, made up entirely by big tech companies, in a propaganda push to promote more and more people getting into CS. It's entirely so they can pay developers less.
This. FAANG hires more devs than they need just to keep the rest of FAANG from getting them.
Source?
Re: Ask HN: Why not more hiring of junior devs, then on-the-job-training?
#57EDIT: to people emailing me (thanks!), I am currently on PTO overseas so I will respond, but maybe not super timely. Also, we're looking for our first QA and our first DevOps role if non-SEs are reading... If you're willing to work in Texas, send me an email (check my profile). We absolutely do not mind if you have gaps. semi-OT: To all people in this thread who say there is no shortage of developers: if you know any…
I am just curious, why do you need to test somone's ability to find max of a list. Language designers have recognized this as a basic utility and incorporated them into the language. Is the hypothesis that - if someone cannot write a simple algo to find the max of a list then what other difficult tasks he/she can perform ? Even though in reality we all understand no one needs to write a max algorithm.
Re: Ask HN: Why not more hiring of junior devs, then on-the-job-training?
#58One of the reasons that I saw, is that training is very expensive for the company (both in terms of money, opportunity cost, time of other people, etc) which combined with people changing jobs often produces low, or negative ROI. By the time person is trained, they leave, before they start to meaningfully contribute.
More experienced folks also change jobs often, but you have higher chance of getting some productive time out of them before they move.
Re: Ask HN: Why not more hiring of junior devs, then on-the-job-training?
#59Re: Ask HN: Why not more hiring of junior devs, then on-the-job-training?
#60False premise. There is no shortage of devs. That has been a complete fabrication, made up entirely by big tech companies, in a propaganda push to promote more and more people getting into CS. It's entirely so they can pay developers less.
Depends where, the world is not USA
Europe has a real shortage in some countries