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American Is Killed by Bow and Arrow on Remote Indian Island

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Re: American Is Killed by Bow and Arrow on Remote Indian Island

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post #134

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> I don’t believe in moral relativism. Good for you? The homeless, penniless child should never steal the loaf of bread when all other, apparent, options are exhausted. > They don’t get a pass for not knowing better. They get a pass because it was already decided a long time ago that they were too dangerous for outsiders to be allowed near. They're contained, and by the survey numbers their population is dwindling. I…

I don’t see how a single homeless child is comparable. This is more like justifying North Korea’s methods because the poor country is just trying to survive. The victim should have known they were murderous savages but gave them the benefit of the doubt anyway.

> murderous savages

Racial flamewar is not allowed on HN either. Please don't post this kind of thing again.

Re: American Is Killed by Bow and Arrow on Remote Indian Island

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> Mr. Pathak said Mr. Chau, believed to be 26 or 27 and from Washington State, may have been trying to convert the islanders to Christianity. Right before he left in his kayak, Mr. Chau gave the fishermen a long note. In it, police officials said, he had written that Jesus had bestowed him with the strength to go to the most forbidden places on Earth. A perfect storm of Christian and American arrogance.

Religious and national flamewar is not allowed on HN and we ban accounts that do it. Please don't do it again.

Please do review the guidelines and follow them: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: American Is Killed by Bow and Arrow on Remote Indian Island

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> Mr. Pathak said Mr. Chau, believed to be 26 or 27 and from Washington State, may have been trying to convert the islanders to Christianity. Right before he left in his kayak, Mr. Chau gave the fishermen a long note. In it, police officials said, he had written that Jesus had bestowed him with the strength to go to the most forbidden places on Earth. A perfect storm of Christian and American arrogance.

@dang - is this acceptable on HN? It would really help to understand which groups we’re able to attack and which are frowned upon.

Of course it's unacceptable.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18507852

Re: American Is Killed by Bow and Arrow on Remote Indian Island

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post #86

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@dang - is this acceptable on HN? It would really help to understand which groups we’re able to attack and which are frowned upon.

Yes, I've noticed this. I said something admittedly nasty about Mao's policies a couple of months ago, and was threatened with banning due to "borderline nationalistic trolling". Fair enough. It sure doesn't seem to be enforced in an objective fashion though. More likely, it appears to be more in line with the current fashion of SV: Never discriminate, unless it's against a group viewed as being powerful and bad by W…

It's true that HN moderation is inconsistent, but for a completely different reason: we don't see all the comments. This makes consistency impossible.

All: please help with this by letting us know at hn@ycombinator.com when you see an egregious comment on the site that hasn't been flagged or moderated yet. We can't read all the comments, but we do read all the emails.

Re: American Is Killed by Bow and Arrow on Remote Indian Island

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> Mr. Pathak said Mr. Chau, believed to be 26 or 27 and from Washington State, may have been trying to convert the islanders to Christianity. Right before he left in his kayak, Mr. Chau gave the fishermen a long note. In it, police officials said, he had written that Jesus had bestowed him with the strength to go to the most forbidden places on Earth. A perfect storm of Christian and American arrogance.

Tittered the European, dripping with blood from every corner of the map.

Reacting to nasty flamewar with nasty flamewar will get you banned just as well. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and don't do this on HN again.

Re: American Is Killed by Bow and Arrow on Remote Indian Island

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I'm not Dan, but I can offer my own advice: don't generalize individuals into groups, and don't attack any individual or group here. It never leads to the kind of thoughtful discussion that HN is known for. If you see a comment that attacks any individual or group, the best thing to do is downvote it, flag it, and move on.

Clearly there are groups you can criticize on HN as evidenced in this entire submission's thread.

The explanation is https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18507863.

As you can see, now that I've noticed the thread and had a chance to moderate it, the evidence shows the opposite.

You've been here long enough that I wish you would be more charitable. You've made such comments before. I wouldn't ban someone just for saying false or mean things about HN moderation, but it's still a bummer. Especially since, if you'd take a longer and fairer look at what we do, you would know that it's not true.

Re: American Is Killed by Bow and Arrow on Remote Indian Island

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> Mr. Pathak said Mr. Chau, believed to be 26 or 27 and from Washington State, may have been trying to convert the islanders to Christianity. Right before he left in his kayak, Mr. Chau gave the fishermen a long note. In it, police officials said, he had written that Jesus had bestowed him with the strength to go to the most forbidden places on Earth. A perfect storm of Christian and American arrogance.

Combined with the savage lack of humanity and reasoning skills of isolated peoples.

Racial and national flamewar will get you banned here. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and don't post like this to HN.

Re: American Is Killed by Bow and Arrow on Remote Indian Island

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post #94

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By "modern" I'll interpret that to mean "a nation generally participating in the global community": I'd say, they have every right to defend their borders from invaders. But they also have knowledge that these islanders don't have. They have an understanding that outsiders are not all belligerent and to be feared or non-entities to be killed (though some will act counter to that knowledge, see the stoked fear in the…

I don’t believe in moral relativism. They don’t get a pass for not knowing better. Just as their victims didn’t get a pass for not knowing better.

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Re: American Is Killed by Bow and Arrow on Remote Indian Island

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post #144

It is fascinating - and unsettling - how many people react to this on range of "ha-ha, stupid medieval idiot, deserved to be murdered" to "typical American!". I know some cultures don't value human life as high as we in the Western culture do, and murdering people for trespassing on some taboo barely comprehensible to outsiders is not very far from our culture either. But what I see is a person trying to do a subject…

Thought experiment: imagine it was a buddhist monk. I am sure the reaction here in the comments would be at least slightly different.

Nope. Idiot breaking national law and against all warnings tries to indoctrinate with religion is both “self-righteous” and unethical. Doesn’t matter which religion.
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