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The World Will Be Our Skinner Box

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Re: The World Will Be Our Skinner Box

#11

I have nothing to hide and why wouldn't I want ads that better reflect my preferences?

You are an outlier, most people like their privacy and do not want to be manipulated by advertisers.

Disagree. I think the last fifty years proves that the vast majority of people will almost always go with convenience over some abstract ideal of "privacy".

Re: The World Will Be Our Skinner Box

#13

I have nothing to hide and why wouldn't I want ads that better reflect my preferences?

Why do you want ads at all?

I don't want ads in the abstract, but I want them more than the alternatives I've seen offered. Ditto for capitalism and democracy :)

Re: The World Will Be Our Skinner Box

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I have nothing to hide and why wouldn't I want ads that better reflect my preferences?

If you have nothing to hide, you also have nothing to say. You also have zero to gain by expressing your assent to what is happening already anyway. You are actually drowning out many people who have no voice in this matter but silently believe in very important things like human rights, of which privacy is absolutely key to freedom and free expression.

I generally think open dialogue is a good thing, but your comment just bolsters those in positions of power to the detriment of everyone else for literally nothing other than reducing your own minor personal annoyance. Want better ads? Mail them a dossier on your life story and leave the rest of us out of it.

Re: The World Will Be Our Skinner Box

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post #5

The Borg may turn out to be prophetic. We could turn into a hive mind of sorts. I've already been calling Internet fads, echo chambers, and meme outbreaks "Borgsongs." I seem to recall this term from STTNG for the omnipresent hive signal experienced by Borg.

Imagine a neural network who could design memes/songs by directly measuring a bunch of test subject brains. Kind of like a focus group.

A short story even asked the question, could you engineer a meme/song so powerful that it could literally make you go insane? We know this stuff exists (brainwashing, cults, ...), but can you super concentrate it?

Re: The World Will Be Our Skinner Box

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post #5

The Borg may turn out to be prophetic. We could turn into a hive mind of sorts. I've already been calling Internet fads, echo chambers, and meme outbreaks "Borgsongs." I seem to recall this term from STTNG for the omnipresent hive signal experienced by Borg.

However, such memetic behavior such as fads, echo chambers, and meme outbreaks predates the internet and even modern technology. So, according to your logic, it would seem we have always been the Borg.

Re: The World Will Be Our Skinner Box

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post #15
post #5

The Borg may turn out to be prophetic. We could turn into a hive mind of sorts. I've already been calling Internet fads, echo chambers, and meme outbreaks "Borgsongs." I seem to recall this term from STTNG for the omnipresent hive signal experienced by Borg.

Imagine a neural network who could design memes/songs by directly measuring a bunch of test subject brains. Kind of like a focus group. A short story even asked the question, could you engineer a meme/song so powerful that it could literally make you go insane? We know this stuff exists (brainwashing, cults, ...), but can you super concentrate it?

For those who haven’t seen it, here’s the classic Funniest Joke in the World skit: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YeMnPyusuBE

Re: The World Will Be Our Skinner Box

#18
post #8

Kind of reminds me about how they say the highest level of automation of self-driving cars will be no steering wheel. Who decided that that was higher on the scale and a good thing? The "progress" defined here is complete control over all actions of individuals in society by an AI god. These scales by which progress toward the future is measured are a key ingredient of social engineering. One task that Free Software…

> Kind of reminds me about how they say the highest level of automation of self-driving cars will be no steering wheel. Who decided that that was higher on the scale and a good thing?

Everyone who's ever sat in traffic. It's a miserable experience and it is indeed a fundamentally better thing to be able to use that time in a more productive or entertaining fashion. Few people care if the steering wheel is entirely absent, so long as it's not needed and it's not in the way.

> The "progress" defined here is complete control over all actions of individuals in society by an AI god.

Who is defining progress that way? Everyone I know who wants a self-driving car wants it to go where they tell it to.

Re: The World Will Be Our Skinner Box

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post #16
post #5

The Borg may turn out to be prophetic. We could turn into a hive mind of sorts. I've already been calling Internet fads, echo chambers, and meme outbreaks "Borgsongs." I seem to recall this term from STTNG for the omnipresent hive signal experienced by Borg.

However, such memetic behavior such as fads, echo chambers, and meme outbreaks predates the internet and even modern technology. So, according to your logic, it would seem we have always been the Borg.

The quantitative difference in spreading velocity and general bandwidth is so large it becomes qualitative and looks a lot like a phase change.

We burned stuff long before modern steam turbines and internal combustion engines...

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