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Dead sperm whale found in Indonesia had ingested '6kg of plastic'

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Over the past few months I have been trying to figure out a solution for environmental issues in developing countries (like India where I'm from). Conclusion is, because of the democracy, the change is not possible from inside, some external force has to be there. Here governments take decision for the short term because they have to please the common (& uneducated) men for the next election. Hence the agenda of envi…

>>In India, from past 2 decades, no government had an agenda to control population (which is the root of all the problems here)

Problems are solved, only when they are acknowledged to be problems.

In the last elections, the current prime minister talked at length about reaping the population dividend.

Also a lot of population is not exactly bad if you need masses of low paid workers building your roads/highways/sky scrapers. The problem with India is we aren't doing that.

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Science has been applied to it many times. It "works" insomuch as people feel better after they're told that they're getting treatment. It has never shown to be more effective than a sugar pill. [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] The most favorable paper to neurolinguistic programming in the entire literature amounts to "some people say it makes them feel better, therefore evidence doesn't matter"[9] So yeah, sure, it "works"…

I don't know what to tell you, other than those "scientists" must have been doing it wrong. I mean it. What you have presented above is pseudoscience. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis > The replication crisis (or replicability crisis or reproducibility crisis) is an ongoing (2018) methodological crisis in the social and soft sciences in which scholars have found that the results of many scientific stu…

My dude. Please go get yourself some education on how science works. I feel embarrassed for you.

The reproducibility crisis is about the prevalence of false positive results in the scientific literature. This video is a good primer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42QuXLucH3Q

A false positive is when a paper says "this works" when it actually doesn't, because of a statistical fluke in their sample.

Even if citing the reproducibility crisis as an excuse to believe something that science has repeatedly found to be false isn't a really bad reason for belief (which it definitely is)...

it doesn't even apply because there can't be false positive results regarding neurolinguistic programming because there aren't any positive results regarding neurolinguistic programming. Even the paper put out by neurolinguistic programming practicioners themselves wasn't able to produce a detectable effect over a placebo.

I'm sorry, my friend, but this is an intervention. You're in a cult. You're making the exact same arguments as homeopaths and faith healers and fortune tellers.

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File this under "Things still too radical to say in 2018." Honestly, your proposed solution goes too counter to human nature to be viable, in my opinion. Not to say it wouldn't work if you could pull it off, just that there's too much going against it. Human nature is selfish on a per-tribe basis. I think much of humanity's ills stem from our inability to effectively care about more than ~100-1k people. Even if you c…

> Honestly, your proposed solution goes too counter to human nature to be viable, in my opinion. I know it does. That's why we are well and truly screwed. But to be honest it's the only thing I can think of that would give us even a fighting chance, because a century of 7+ billion humans will absolutely suck this planet dry. BTW there is no such thing as "sustainable growth". It is a contradiction in terms. I'll refe…

>I know it does. That's why we are well and truly screwed. But to be honest it's the only thing I can think of that would give us even a fighting chance

Agreed. We either have to kill 90%+ of the population or get a similar amount to agree to sterilize themselves.

I am NOT saying we need to start kicking down doors and shooting people or tranq darting them and snip-snip-snipping but unless an alien peacekeeping armada fills our skies with their ships and starts handing out free fusion plants and food replicators and machines to pull the carbon dioxide out of the air that manufactures inert carbon ingots... we're truly screwed.

Tech types are entirely too optimistic, they think just because we will need to figure something out that we will.

Ok, let's say fusion. Let's say someone got a fusion reactor online TOMORROW and that over the next 6 months they found ways to scale and mass produce it.

Now let's say they can start mass producing everything needed on multiple continents while construction companies set to work building all the facilities needed to replace the 60,000 something power plants on the planet. The construction of the buildings alone would take several decades purely to supply all the needed concrete (which itself creates absurd amounts of carbon dioxide).

So great, we create a solution to our energy problem which would let us drastically reduce our carbon emissions but under realistic conditions it takes us decades to convert fully to that energy, still spewing tens of gigatons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere each year which would continue to worsen weather conditions, further acidify the oceans, likely lead to crop failures, kill more species that can't handle even modest temperature changes...

Sigh.

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We need to get our heads out of our asses. I don't want to be that guy but... we either need to radically change the way we live or 90% of us just need to immediately cease to exist although I'm sure the remaining 750 million people would still find ways to sabotage our planet. 'SHTF' fiction and science fiction often turns to a pandemic wiping out large chunks of the population... that would be bad for you, for me,…

> throw away enough spoiled food to feed every hungry mouth on the planet In Somalia, we shipped containers full of rice and much of it was stolen by warlords. Yet, if we send troops, you'd scream anti-war. If we don't send troops, the rice gets stolen and people starve. Perhaps inconsistently, you complain that there are too many people, but then decry us for not feeding all of those people. You complain about carbo…

> excess food in San Francisco needs to be sent to people in Bangladesh.

Most of that food in San Francisco is coming from other countries to start. The U.S. imports 50 percent of fresh fruits, 20 percent of fresh vegetables and 80 percent of seafood.

We EXPORTED 133 billion dollars of food in 2017, the bulk of that being soybeans, beef and poultry.

Neither of these practices are sustainable and the US isn't alone in this practice. People don't want a can of corn that was grown locally in the past year or two, they want a fresh cob grown in the past few weeks which has to be shipped from another hemisphere. They don't want frozen fruit, they want to go to the grocery and pick over visually appealing fresh fruit that just finished its trip from China to their local retailer in Bumsville, Idaho.

Did you know that in the U.S. alone the cattle we raise eat enough grain to feed a BILLION people? The average cow will eat EIGHTEEN TONS of feed per year. Don't get me wrong, I love a hamburger or some beef sausage on my pizza but...

Re: Dead sperm whale found in Indonesia had ingested '6kg of plastic'

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I don't know what to tell you, other than those "scientists" must have been doing it wrong. I mean it. What you have presented above is pseudoscience. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis > The replication crisis (or replicability crisis or reproducibility crisis) is an ongoing (2018) methodological crisis in the social and soft sciences in which scholars have found that the results of many scientific stu…

My dude. Please go get yourself some education on how science works. I feel embarrassed for you. The reproducibility crisis is about the prevalence of false positive results in the scientific literature. This video is a good primer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42QuXLucH3Q A false positive is when a paper says "this works" when it actually doesn't, because of a statistical fluke in their sample. Even if citing the…

i notice that you didn't answer my question. Do you have any actual experience with NLP at all?

In any event, it really seems to me like you're more interested in insulting me than in learning about NLP, so I don't think there's any reason to continue talking about it, eh?

> You're making the exact same arguments as homeopaths and faith healers and fortune tellers.

I understand that there's a superficial resemblance and I hate that, but as I said, I don't know what to tell you.

NLP is really easy, so if those "scientists" weren't able to measure something it's got to be "user error". I mean, I've personally done lots of experiments that show obvious results, so... I could go on but what's the point, eh? You've got your reality and I've got mine.

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> Regardless, I struggle to be emotionally invested in a situation where I decide 6 billion people die. 6 billion people will die. Heck, 7.5 billion will die. Everyone dies. The question is not when, but how, and how do they live their lives. I think we should pursue a solution not of genocide, but one of mass sterilization. We should choose about 100 million people from all over the Earth that will represent the gen…

You don't think that a forced, mass sterilization is morally horrendous?

Is it more horrendous than what will happen if we just keep reproducing and using up the earth's resources?
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