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The Homeless Crisis Is Getting Worse in America’s Richest Cities

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Re: The Homeless Crisis Is Getting Worse in America’s Richest Cities

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> Put a ceiling on rents Sorry, but this is the worst possible solution. Source: basic economics. Rent control is one of the most dangerous "solutions" to high housing costs people ever toss out. It would destroy the housing market and make it vastly more expensive than it is now.

Demonstrably untrue. Spend some time in Vienna or Berlin.

Eh, berlin is a city with the housing capacity in multiples of its population. You dont need to put any ceiling on rents to have them down.

Re: The Homeless Crisis Is Getting Worse in America’s Richest Cities

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This is so illogical. For one, who is going to build these properties for low-income people only? Costs will be almost the same, profits will be way less. So why would a developer bother? In fact, the recent change to require a higher percentage of low income units in new structures has killed the pipeline for new building starts. Even if it seems counterproductive to the goal of helping low income people, historical…

You're thinking purely within a capitalist framework. There is no capitalist solution to this problem. The solution is unprofitable. I encourage you to think outside this framework as humanity itself is at stake not just profits.

Really, housing is where capitalism breaks down.

Re: The Homeless Crisis Is Getting Worse in America’s Richest Cities

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When it comes to stuff like housing, government regulations like zoning can stand in the way. If we had an unfettered market perhaps cheap apartments could be built and given to the homeless by charity. In practice new housing that complies with all zoning codes, labor regulations, etc ends up costing quite a lot. Government certainly has a role to play here even if it is just changing policies to stop driving up cos…

Unfettered market? I think the word you were looking for is 'slums'.

Beats sleeping on the street. If single room occupancy hotels or flophouses hadn’t been zoned out of existence there’d be many fewer homeless in the US.

Re: The Homeless Crisis Is Getting Worse in America’s Richest Cities

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It's an endless money pit because if you subsidize something, you get more of it. The massive increase in subsidies for low-income single parents has resulted in a massive increase in children born into single parent families over the last 50 years.

So that means if we want to solve homelessness, we need to start taxing homeless people.

Or just stop subsidizing them. In the short term, it's more suffering for the poor, but in the long run, it's fewer people born into multi-generational poverty traps and into communities where they learn to become dependent and game government programs, because the dominant source of income is unconditional social assistance programs provided at the taxpayer's expense.

Re: The Homeless Crisis Is Getting Worse in America’s Richest Cities

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post #119

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Unfettered market? I think the word you were looking for is 'slums'.

Beats sleeping on the street. If single room occupancy hotels or flophouses hadn’t been zoned out of existence there’d be many fewer homeless in the US.

Yea, verily.

I spent nearly 6 years homeless. I'm currently in an SRO. It is like a million times better.

Re: The Homeless Crisis Is Getting Worse in America’s Richest Cities

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I recommend you look at the economic research on the issue of zoning restrictions on housing supply: https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/images...

I'd think it would be good manners to at least provide a summary that puts the report into the discussions context when linking to some pdf report.

Here's an excerpt from the executive summary:

>>Over the past three decades, local barriers to housing development have intensified, particularly in the high-growth metropolitan areas increasingly fueling the national economy. The accumulation of such barriers – including zoning, other land use regulations, and lengthy development approval processes – has reduced the ability of many housing markets to respond to growing demand. The growing severity of undersupplied housing markets is jeopardizing housing affordability for working families, increasing income inequality by reducing less-skilled workers’ access to high-wage labor markets, and stifling GDP growth by driving labor migration away from the most productive regions.

Other relevant excerpts:

>>Researchers examining proxy measures – including the prevalence of zoning and land use cases in state courts, which correlate strongly with static indices of housing barriers and supply constraint surveys – have found that barriers to housing development increased rapidly from 1970 to 1990, and continue to increase through the present day. 2

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>>Though popular coverage of these challenges has been most focused on the Bay Area, Seattle, and major East Coast cities, Los Angeles provides a clear illustration of the impact of the primary barrier to development – restrictive zoning. In 1960, Los Angeles was zoned to accommodate 10 million people; after decades of population growth and increased demand, the city is today zoned for only 4.3 million people.9

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>>In just the last 10 years, the number of very low-income renters paying more than half their income for rent has increased by almost 2.5 million households, to 7.7 million nationwide, in part because barriers to housing development are limiting housing supply.11 Since 1960, the share of renters paying more than 30 percent of their income for rent has more than doubled from 24 percent to 49 percent.12 And over that time, real household income increased by 18 percent, but inflation adjusted rents rose by 64 percent.

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>>A recent study noted that in theoretical models of mobility, economic research suggests our Gross Domestic Product would have been more than 10 percent higher in 2009 if workers and capital had freely moved so that the relative wage distribution remained at its 1964 level. 21 Most of this loss in wages and productivity is caused by increased constraints to housing supply in high- productivity regions, including zoning regulations and other local rules.

So to summarize, economists have observed an increase in zoning/land-use restrictions since about 1970. They attribute the rise in the proportion of income consumed by rent to these restrictions on housing supply growth.

They conclude that absent zoning and other restrictions on housing supply expansion, the US would have less income inequality and a significantly higher GDP.

Re: The Homeless Crisis Is Getting Worse in America’s Richest Cities

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I mean, I see why that would be possible, but considering cause and effect, one is more likely to burn out their support network by having a drug addiction and mental issues than the other way around.

My support network flew away when I lost jobs, quit jobs, and finally became homeless. They get frustrated by various things and call it being negative or difficult or similar. There’s a strong unwillingness to empathize. I realized some things I did/didn’t do to attract parasitic people to my life, but I’ll digress there. Ymmv of course, but in general people are made very uncomfortable by the situation and may jump…

Why did you quit jobs?

Re: The Homeless Crisis Is Getting Worse in America’s Richest Cities

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post #252

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> Put a ceiling on rents Sorry, but this is the worst possible solution. Source: basic economics. Rent control is one of the most dangerous "solutions" to high housing costs people ever toss out. It would destroy the housing market and make it vastly more expensive than it is now.

Demonstrably untrue. Spend some time in Vienna or Berlin.

> We find that landlords actively respond to the imposition of rent control by converting their properties to condos and TICs or by redeveloping the building in such as a way as to exempt it from the regulations. In sum, we find that impacted landlords reduced the supply the available rental housing by 15%. Consistent with this evidence, we find that there was a 20% decline in the number of renters living in impacted buildings, relative to 1990-1994 levels, and a 30% decline in the number of renters living in units protected by rent control.

> These results highlight that forcing landlords to provided insurance against rent increases leads to large losses to tenants

—The Effects of Rent Control Expansion on Tenants, Landlords, and Inequality: Evidence from San Francisco[1]

The study largely fins that, in addition to rent control causing the available supply to decrease, and tenant mobility/freedom to decrease, it largely harms new renters, and results in a wealth transfer to existing renters.

It does not solve the problem, and it does not on the whole benefit society.

[1]: https://www.nber.org/papers/w24181.pdf

Re: The Homeless Crisis Is Getting Worse in America’s Richest Cities

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I will go to my grave not understanding why this is so complex and difficult for people to understand and politicians to fix. Wages are stagnant, save for a handful of sectors, in which they're growing quickly. Housing prices are rising due to limited supply and backward policies towards new construction. Inequality therefore expands exponentially, creating a city of haves-and-have nots. Either reduce inequality thro…

Economics has come to explain and attack the particular problem of homelessness amongst rich areas in the late 1800's, with Henry George's Poverty and Progress.

The economic field definitely has a simple recipe to attack the root cause of this issues, but its one that, in my opinion, is politically unfeasible, as it goes mostly against the middle class, and retired people as well as the rich.

The solution is called LVT, land value tax, and its popular since adam smith, to modern day left-leaning econs like stiglitz, or right-leaning like Milton friedman.

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