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Educating takes a fair amount of mystic to make people believe in you. That's the hardest part.

And, who determines what the curriculum is? For example, for a while it was practically (or technically?) illegal to teach evolution in some schools in the southern US. Just 'educating people' is not the full answer, and it could actually be more harmful in the end to educate people with wrong information than to not educate them at all.

no need for cosmological concepts to raise the education level

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#152

Over the past few months I have been trying to figure out a solution for environmental issues in developing countries (like India where I'm from). Conclusion is, because of the democracy, the change is not possible from inside, some external force has to be there. Here governments take decision for the short term because they have to please the common (& uneducated) men for the next election. Hence the agenda of envi…

Educating takes a fair amount of mystic to make people believe in you. That's the hardest part.

Perhaps we need a new religion.

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#153

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Educating takes a fair amount of mystic to make people believe in you. That's the hardest part.

Perhaps we need a new religion.

heh, I wasn't planning on divinity level of faith, but you'd be surprised how much stupid resistance people will put when you tell them things. The minute they validate you, anything you say goes

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Here in Canada, the provincial government of Ontario is dismantling the environmental protection apparatus piece by piece in the name of democracy and pleasing some section of people. We do have a lot more education, so there has to be something else. I think it is all about what is the general population (or some section of it values more). Right now environment is not at the top because something else is.

I've only heard of them scrapping carbon cap + trade and fighting against carbon tax. If they've also dismantled regulations regarding more acute, pressing types of pollution I'd like to know.

1. On slashing environmental watchdogs - https://www.nationalobserver.com/2018/11/15/news/doug-ford-s...

http://www.rabble.ca/news/2018/11/doug-ford%E2%80%99s-govern...

2. Cancelled green subsidy program (GreenON) on efficient thermostats and lights (https://www.thestar.com/business/real_estate/2018/06/20/gree...)

3. Ontario electric car subsidy is no more

4. Cancellation of 758 renewable energy projects / contracts. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-municipalit.... (paywalled)

5. Intend to open up protected areas (greenbelt) for developers. This has not been executed yet.

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Good luck sterilizing people against their will.

TBH I know it's a crackhead plan. But then again I'm not sure this generation is all enthused about having kids. It costs a lot ( https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cost-of-raising-a-child-parents... ), and if there were economic incentives that encouraged volunteering, that might actually get takers.

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You know that neurolinguistic programming is pseudoscientific new age magic bullshit, right? Normally I give people the benefit of the doubt and presume they meant natural language processing and expanded the acronym wrong, but I can't see how that could apply here.

Yes, I meant the other NLP. > You know that neurolinguistic programming is pseudoscientific new age magic bullshit, right? I know no such thing. I'll grant you that most of the people talking about it, and many of the practitioners, are saying "pseudoscientific new age magic bullshit", and that's extraordinarily unfortunate. Nevertheless, the foundations and principles of NLP are sound and the reproducible results sh…

Science has been applied to it many times. It "works" insomuch as people feel better after they're told that they're getting treatment. It has never shown to be more effective than a sugar pill. [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8]

The most favorable paper to neurolinguistic programming in the entire literature amounts to "some people say it makes them feel better, therefore evidence doesn't matter"[9]

So yeah, sure, it "works" in exactly the same way as kisses from mom on your boo-boos "works". It might make you stop crying for a while, but that is not how a rational person measures effective treatment.

1. http://psycnet.apa.org/record/1984-21020-001

2. http://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2F0022-0167.34...

3. https://web.archive.org/web/20070615185758/http://www.mheap....

4. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/hrdq.3920010...

5. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1559-1816....

6. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/hrdq.3920080...

7. https://content.sciendo.com/view/journals/ppb/41/2/article-p...

8. http://web.archive.org/web/20120905075141/http://jarhe.resea...

9. https://www.emeraldinsight.com/doi/abs/10.1108/1746564101104...

Re: Dead sperm whale found in Indonesia had ingested '6kg of plastic'

#157

Over the past few months I have been trying to figure out a solution for environmental issues in developing countries (like India where I'm from). Conclusion is, because of the democracy, the change is not possible from inside, some external force has to be there. Here governments take decision for the short term because they have to please the common (& uneducated) men for the next election. Hence the agenda of envi…

Here in Vietnam (one of the largest produces of plastic waste in SE Asia), unless someone replaces the entire government and educates all the people, I think there really is no hope on the matter. Depressing.

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Yes, I meant the other NLP. > You know that neurolinguistic programming is pseudoscientific new age magic bullshit, right? I know no such thing. I'll grant you that most of the people talking about it, and many of the practitioners, are saying "pseudoscientific new age magic bullshit", and that's extraordinarily unfortunate. Nevertheless, the foundations and principles of NLP are sound and the reproducible results sh…

Science has been applied to it many times. It "works" insomuch as people feel better after they're told that they're getting treatment. It has never shown to be more effective than a sugar pill. [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] The most favorable paper to neurolinguistic programming in the entire literature amounts to "some people say it makes them feel better, therefore evidence doesn't matter"[9] So yeah, sure, it "works"…

I don't know what to tell you, other than those "scientists" must have been doing it wrong.

I mean it. What you have presented above is pseudoscience. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis

> The replication crisis (or replicability crisis or reproducibility crisis) is an ongoing (2018) methodological crisis in the social and soft sciences in which scholars have found that the results of many scientific studies are difficult or impossible to replicate or reproduce on subsequent investigation, either by independent researchers or by the original researchers themselves.

These are not physicists. Their inability to measure some effect of NLP techniques argues for their incompetence, not the non-existence of the effects. NLP isn't hard. I don't consider myself a practitioner, but I have some experience applying NLP to get definite results. The techniques work. "Submodality" manipulation alone should garner a Nobel prize.

Let me ask you, do you have any direct, personal experience with NLP? In other words, what's your motivation here? You're not going to convince me it's bunk, because I overcame crippling depression using it, and because I understand the principles and they make sense. (Most of them, there are NLP-derived techniques that work but no one know why. The so-called "VK Squash" for example. Profound effects without a trace of theory as to why.) Am I going to convince you? Maybe we should talk about NVC instead? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_Communication

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I find it baffling, that parent comment made just a comparison without giving any opinion, and pretty much every sibling comment is telling them they are wrong... lol. Fascinating how people project their opinions onto others and argue with them. Parent even got called a moron and told to eat a plastic bag xD Pretty much every one assumed that on a human scale weight it's not that much, though still wrong. I wonder w…

> Parent even got called a moron and told to eat a plastic bag You know everyone can see the thread right? Lying about what's in it isn't going to work well for you. Either way yes, it's possible to be wrong by merely making a comparison. Try to think about why.

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Re: Dead sperm whale found in Indonesia had ingested '6kg of plastic'

#160

So you're saying whales can be used to conveniently filter plastic from the sea? How many whales do we need to deploy to get an entirely clean ocean?

If you can't harbor any feeling for even a huge, complex and intelligent mammal, you're a much bigger threat to the environment than 6kg of plastic could ever be.

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