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The Homeless Crisis Is Getting Worse in America’s Richest Cities

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Re: The Homeless Crisis Is Getting Worse in America’s Richest Cities

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Long-time Seattle resident here who volunteered for several years in the homeless community. Homelessness has always been a thing in Seattle, but has definitely become a much larger issue in the past five years. I'll spare my thoughts on any number of reasons as to why we got here as a city, but will say I think we are doing a terrible disservice to actually finding a solution by lumping "anyone who doesn't have a ho…

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Re: The Homeless Crisis Is Getting Worse in America’s Richest Cities

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homelessness is the societal manifestation of the lower end of the bell curve. period. anyone who's interacted with homeless people knows this. yes there are exceptions, and no they do not make up the bulk of the distribution.

putting your hand in the sand and blaming "slow wage growth" or some other secondary factor instead of pointing out the obvious is a disservice to those people. and before you call me harsh, know that I mean this in the complete opposite way: acknowledging the problem with pragmatism is the first step toward its resolution.

Re: The Homeless Crisis Is Getting Worse in America’s Richest Cities

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, I think you're missing a key factor here: politicians require money to be elected. The poor (the folks most affected by these issues) don't have the money to donate. The rich (the ones you propose taxing) do. Thus, the only ones who can get elected are catering to an audience that does not want this problems solved in this way (and indeed, one could argue, does not care to have it solved at all). Until the pr…

In a properly-operating democracy, politicians require votes to be elected; money helps, but isn't sufficient. The 1% may have 50% (or more) of the money, but they only have 1% of the votes. The 99% (or rather, those members of the 99% who vote as if they're in the 1%) need to exert their power at the polling booth.

The 1% own the media companies which are happy to tell you what a winner looks like, and there is a general belief that voting with your heart is inferior to voting for a probable winner.

Re: The Homeless Crisis Is Getting Worse in America’s Richest Cities

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post #2

I will go to my grave not understanding why this is so complex and difficult for people to understand and politicians to fix. Wages are stagnant, save for a handful of sectors, in which they're growing quickly. Housing prices are rising due to limited supply and backward policies towards new construction. Inequality therefore expands exponentially, creating a city of haves-and-have nots. Either reduce inequality thro…

I mean, I think you're missing a key factor here: politicians require money to be elected. The poor (the folks most affected by these issues) don't have the money to donate. The rich (the ones you propose taxing) do. Thus, the only ones who can get elected are catering to an audience that does not want this problems solved in this way (and indeed, one could argue, does not care to have it solved at all). Until the pr…

some aspects of the political problems are definitely driven by voting blocs rather than money per se. For example, construction trade unions leverage generally block changes to simplify/de-cost the building code or the use of public money for pre-fab housing. Those are just concrete examples I'm aware of, theres probably similar dynamics in healthcare, government administration, environmental policy.

Re: The Homeless Crisis Is Getting Worse in America’s Richest Cities

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post #2

I will go to my grave not understanding why this is so complex and difficult for people to understand and politicians to fix. Wages are stagnant, save for a handful of sectors, in which they're growing quickly. Housing prices are rising due to limited supply and backward policies towards new construction. Inequality therefore expands exponentially, creating a city of haves-and-have nots. Either reduce inequality thro…

I mean, I think you're missing a key factor here: politicians require money to be elected. The poor (the folks most affected by these issues) don't have the money to donate. The rich (the ones you propose taxing) do. Thus, the only ones who can get elected are catering to an audience that does not want this problems solved in this way (and indeed, one could argue, does not care to have it solved at all). Until the pr…

We end up no matter what fix you propose, having to fix it while the engine is running. Saying you have to fix money first is no solution. You can't fix money in politics, until you can overcome money in politics, at which point you may act to reduce the influence of money in politics.

On the hopeful side, I feel like there is a bottom enabling threshold where money is needed for a campaign, but beyond that basic level there are many modern channels for voter engagement.Those channels only now are really starting to be employed effectively by younger, newer politicians and will let us "fix the engine while it's running".

Re: The Homeless Crisis Is Getting Worse in America’s Richest Cities

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, I think you're missing a key factor here: politicians require money to be elected. The poor (the folks most affected by these issues) don't have the money to donate. The rich (the ones you propose taxing) do. Thus, the only ones who can get elected are catering to an audience that does not want this problems solved in this way (and indeed, one could argue, does not care to have it solved at all). Until the pr…

I'd estimate the majority of active contributors to HN earn $150k+, putting them squarely in the upper percentiles of income-earners -- and definitely in the would-be-taxed bucket. Yet the sentiment expressed in the original comment is still the dominant mood here and elsewhere. The issue is not as clear-cut as "the poors want redistribution but the rich don't," Mark Benioff publicly threw his support behind the just…

$150-300k puts you squarely in the upper percentiles of income-earners, but it does not put you into the range of meaningful campaign donors that get the ear of electable politicians. From the perspective where we're talking about the influence of money on politics, $150-300k is still on the side where your opinion gets ignored because of your lack of money that you're going to spend on political influence.

Re: The Homeless Crisis Is Getting Worse in America’s Richest Cities

#57

Better title: Income Inequality Reaches Death Spiral In Democrat-run Cities LA SF NYC Seattle - please dispute my claim with facts... California is ground zero for homelessness in the industrialized world and has a veto-proof Democrat majority

I keep noticing that, too. I'm not sure which is the chicken and which is the egg, though - do regions become left-leaning because they start to experience poverty (and people start to vote in left-leaning politicians who promise wealth redistribution) or do they become poor because they vote in left-leaning politicians who impose wealth redistribution policies?

Re: The Homeless Crisis Is Getting Worse in America’s Richest Cities

#59
post #7

In San Francisco is equally bad. In the morning @7am you see so many people sleeping on sidewalks like sardines, it's pretty sad considering it's a rich city.

For this to exist in a city of billionaires is obscene and inexcusable.

Billionaires who just want to conserve the status quo but tell the everyone they're innovating. No actual morals

Re: The Homeless Crisis Is Getting Worse in America’s Richest Cities

#60

Long-time Seattle resident here who volunteered for several years in the homeless community. Homelessness has always been a thing in Seattle, but has definitely become a much larger issue in the past five years. I'll spare my thoughts on any number of reasons as to why we got here as a city, but will say I think we are doing a terrible disservice to actually finding a solution by lumping "anyone who doesn't have a ho…

>Unfortunately, a lot of the solutions are expensive and frankly politically toxic.

At the end of the day, everything is political. Instead of shying away from it engage with it because it is the only way you'll change society.

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