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Dead sperm whale found in Indonesia had ingested '6kg of plastic'

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Post by whatok »

patagonia wrote: post #100
whatok wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.dw.com/en/almost-all-plastic-in-the-ocean-comes-...

I’m not disagreeing about the source of the plastic. I’m suggesting that talking about the source of the plastic without also discussing issues such as western oil and chemical companies operating in the regions this plastic is generated ignores fundamental issues such as the undermining of regulatory regimes by these same companies to keep costs down. CO2 has a similar story. India didn’t wake up and come up with th…

What % of the plastic generated from the rivers in India and China are because of Western countries?

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Post by patagonia »

whatok wrote: post #121
patagonia wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not disagreeing about the source of the plastic. I’m suggesting that talking about the source of the plastic without also discussing issues such as western oil and chemical companies operating in the regions this plastic is generated ignores fundamental issues such as the undermining of regulatory regimes by these same companies to keep costs down. CO2 has a similar story. India didn’t wake up and come up with th…

What % of the plastic generated from the rivers in India and China are because of Western countries?

It’s as if you’re not reading my comment.

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Post by agumonkey »

johnydepp wrote: post #24

Over the past few months I have been trying to figure out a solution for environmental issues in developing countries (like India where I'm from). Conclusion is, because of the democracy, the change is not possible from inside, some external force has to be there. Here governments take decision for the short term because they have to please the common (& uneducated) men for the next election. Hence the agenda of envi…

Educating takes a fair amount of mystic to make people believe in you. That's the hardest part.

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Post by temperfidelis2x »

omegaworks wrote: post #118
nurzo wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is not that the government hasn't built any toilets, the problem is that some people don't build toilets on their own. I have two toilets at home, I haven't waited for the government to build them for me.

You likely have a functioning sewer system and fresh water taps to your home. Americans always underestimate the amount of effort and wealth it takes for the infrastructure that maintains their normalcy.

It doesn't take a genius, sewer system or fresh water taps to build a dry toilet though. Nothing to do with America.

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Post by techrich »

johnydepp wrote: post #24

Over the past few months I have been trying to figure out a solution for environmental issues in developing countries (like India where I'm from). Conclusion is, because of the democracy, the change is not possible from inside, some external force has to be there. Here governments take decision for the short term because they have to please the common (& uneducated) men for the next election. Hence the agenda of envi…

This wont be anywhere near fixed, if the worlds population keep going up. We need some event to cull the population down a bit!

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Post by craftyguy »

johnydepp wrote: post #24

Over the past few months I have been trying to figure out a solution for environmental issues in developing countries (like India where I'm from). Conclusion is, because of the democracy, the change is not possible from inside, some external force has to be there. Here governments take decision for the short term because they have to please the common (& uneducated) men for the next election. Hence the agenda of envi…

> Here governments take decision for the short term because they have to please the common (& uneducated) men for the next election. Hence the agenda of environment doesn't get much attention. That's why have poor plastic management.

No, it's pretty much like this in the US too. It's very difficult to get legislation that takes >2 years to start paying off to pass at the federal level. If it takes > 2 years for constituents to realize any benefit from it, politicians generally have little to no incentive to push for it. You get the occassional rarity, but you need consensus, and the current system is built to reward short term gains, often times with the expense of long term losses.

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Post by craftyguy »

agumonkey wrote: post #124
johnydepp wrote: post #24

Over the past few months I have been trying to figure out a solution for environmental issues in developing countries (like India where I'm from). Conclusion is, because of the democracy, the change is not possible from inside, some external force has to be there. Here governments take decision for the short term because they have to please the common (& uneducated) men for the next election. Hence the agenda of envi…

Educating takes a fair amount of mystic to make people believe in you. That's the hardest part.

And, who determines what the curriculum is? For example, for a while it was practically (or technically?) illegal to teach evolution in some schools in the southern US. Just 'educating people' is not the full answer, and it could actually be more harmful in the end to educate people with wrong information than to not educate them at all.

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Post by mbrumlow »

ericdykstra wrote: post #22

93% of plastic polluting the world's oceans comes from 10 rivers. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/stemming-the-plas... Yangtze - East China Sea (Asia) Indus - Arabian Sea (Asia) Yellow River - Yellow Sea (Asia) Hai He - Yellow Sea (Asia) Nile - Mediterranean (Africa) Ganges - Bay of Bengal (Asia) Pearl River - South China Sea (Asia) Amur - Sea of Okhotsk (Asia) Niger - Gulf of Guinea (Africa) Mekong - Sout…

Very courous.

I would wager had you posted that %95 of the plastic waste was found to come from the Mississippi not a single reply would have defended / or taken issue / found exsxuses with your post.

In fact it would have just more bashing the west for polloting oceans.

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Post by pastor_elm »

johnydepp wrote: post #24

Over the past few months I have been trying to figure out a solution for environmental issues in developing countries (like India where I'm from). Conclusion is, because of the democracy, the change is not possible from inside, some external force has to be there. Here governments take decision for the short term because they have to please the common (& uneducated) men for the next election. Hence the agenda of envi…

A pollution tax of some sort seems like the most obvious answer.
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