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You might not need Kubernetes

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Re: You might not need Kubernetes

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Post by turtlebits »

freehunter wrote: post #6

Maybe someone here can help me figure out what I need, since the world of containers is growing faster than I can understand. I have one code base that I run on multiple servers/containers independently of each other. Think Wordpress style. I used to run it on Heroku but I switched to Dokku because it's substantially cheaper and I don't mind taking care of the infrastructure. I like Dokku but I do worry about being t…

I found Flynn.io to be a good step up from Dokku - clustered, no containerization knowledge needed.

Re: You might not need Kubernetes

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Post by diminoten »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #7
jmkni wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But, maybe?

Maybe you'll become a billionaire. But probably not. Your monolith in a container will take you far, before we go down the treacherous path of microservices (for team demarcation, not technical scaling, but maybe technical scaling!), container lifecycle management, inbound load balancing, internal load balancing, service mesh and discovery, and all the fun that container orchestration at scale encompasses (are you re…

How old are you?

Re: You might not need Kubernetes

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Post by toomuchtodo »

diminoten wrote: post #22
toomuchtodo wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe you'll become a billionaire. But probably not. Your monolith in a container will take you far, before we go down the treacherous path of microservices (for team demarcation, not technical scaling, but maybe technical scaling!), container lifecycle management, inbound load balancing, internal load balancing, service mesh and discovery, and all the fun that container orchestration at scale encompasses (are you re…

How old are you?

Almost 40, 20+ years of tech experience.

Re: You might not need Kubernetes

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Post by igneo676 »

freehunter wrote: post #6

Maybe someone here can help me figure out what I need, since the world of containers is growing faster than I can understand. I have one code base that I run on multiple servers/containers independently of each other. Think Wordpress style. I used to run it on Heroku but I switched to Dokku because it's substantially cheaper and I don't mind taking care of the infrastructure. I like Dokku but I do worry about being t…

If there's nothing wrong with what you have, keep it.

There's also theoretically nothing stopping you from setting up a similar server and stand up a load balancer for incoming traffic and use that if you need some redundancy. That's roughly what I do but with docker-compose and a cron job

Tooling like Kubernetes might make sense for larger operations but, for me at least, it doesn't seem to make sense and won't make a significant difference in my day to day administration

Re: You might not need Kubernetes

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Post by [deleted] »

combatentropy wrote: post #19

Some day I would like a powwow with all you hackers about whether 99% of apps need more than a $5 droplet from Digital Ocean, set up the old-fashioned way, LAMP --- though feel free to switch out the letters: BSD instead of Linux, Nginx instead of Apache, PostgreSQL instead of MySQL, Ruby or Python instead of PHP. I manage dozens of apps for thousands of users. The apps are all on one server, its load average around…

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Re: You might not need Kubernetes

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Post by bg4 »

You probably don't need microservices either - it's insane how much money and time is being thrown away to these industrial strength hammers by companies that simply don't need it.

Re: You might not need Kubernetes

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Post by djsumdog »

atleta wrote: post #16

Yeah, you probably don't. And not only that, but it probably makes your life harder. I've interviewed for a tech lead position at a company working with freelancers and I'm pretty sure the reason they ended up rejecting me was that I mentioned the technical interviewer that I think containers, container infrastructures (like Kubernetes) and even cloud infrastructure is being overused/used without giving too much thou…

I once got an interview from a company in the container space because one of their exec read an article I published talking about the trouble with container systems[1]. (Really good talk/interview, but I ended up not moving forward because I didn't want to move back to the west coast).

I've been in smaller shops that wasted a lot of time on K8s stuff and fell behind on their timeline. If you want to run k8s, DC/OS, etc. you need a lot of ramp up time and at least 4 ~ 8 dedicate staff members. I've talked to other startups that preferred running Nomad instead due to setup complexity.

I doubt k8s will go the way of Open Stack since it does actually work, but I do think we'll see it limited to big-end enterprise systems and smaller startups will push forward with other, easier to build up clustering technologies.

[1]: https://penguindreams.org/blog/my-love-hate-relationship-wit...

Re: You might not need Kubernetes

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Post by sequoia »

maxxxxx wrote: post #11

"Anyways, the point I am trying to make is you should use whatever is the easiest thing for your use case and not just what is popular on the internet. " This is good advice in theory but in the real employment world you are killing your own career that way. At some point you get marked as "dinosaur" that hasn't "kept up". Much better to jump on the latest tech trend.

I'm so annoyed that this is true. I hate this, and I'm in the JavaScript world, which is worse than anyone else in this regard as far as I know.

Incidentally, this "don't follow trends" advice ironically seems to carry the most weight when it comes from tech celebrities, frequently those who built a name by being experts in trendy technologies. When someone who's not trendy says "don't follow trends," either no one listens or it's taken as proof that they're a dinosaur. (No shade on Jess intended here, she didn't create this phenomenon.)

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