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Re: Sousveillance

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post #6

Isn't this just a fancy name for "reverse" surveillance?

No. Sousveillance is possible without intent to observe the surveillance mechanisms in place. Go to a festival, these days, with the plethora of cameras (on phones or standalone, video or still) and people are participating in sousveillance (though likely not deliberately or recognizing it as such). They aren't watching the police or other observers. They're just particpating and recording the event itself.

Re: Sousveillance

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post #10

Sousveillance is illegal on London’s TFL network. They show adverts on the screens asking you to report anybody doing it.

Of course, only those blessed with good vision and memory should be able to have a visual record of their life :/ I can't wait for a chip that records everything I ever see so that I don't have to rely on flaky human memory.

Re: Sousveillance

#13
post #3

What other strategies, like this one, have been invented which feels like a more offensive counterforce against the slow surveillance tide, in contrast to the more common defensive strategies that just tries to keep one step ahead of the arms race (e.g. better encryption)?

There's a french guy, part of an activist group that likes to invent passive trolling strategies to fight bad groups (lobbies, governments). For instance they robbed some stupid furnitures from a bank that just avoided some fraud scandal so they start to sue the group. A big company starting a lawsuit to get some chair was super negative to their image. I'll try to find his name again.

It's the association Attac : https://france.attac.org/agenda/article/proces-d-une-militan...

They often do this kind of operations. See there recent operation about Apple not paying taxes : https://www.macg.co/aapl/2018/11/attac-redecore-lapple-store...

Attac means: Association pour la taxation des transactions financières et pour l'action citoyenne (Association for the taxation of financial transaction and for citizen/civil action)

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a french guy, part of an activist group that likes to invent passive trolling strategies to fight bad groups (lobbies, governments). For instance they robbed some stupid furnitures from a bank that just avoided some fraud scandal so they start to sue the group. A big company starting a lawsuit to get some chair was super negative to their image. I'll try to find his name again.

It's the association Attac : https://france.attac.org/agenda/article/proces-d-une-militan... They often do this kind of operations. See there recent operation about Apple not paying taxes : https://www.macg.co/aapl/2018/11/attac-redecore-lapple-store... Attac means: Association pour la taxation des transactions financières et pour l'action citoyenne (Association for the taxation of financial transaction and for citiz…

I didn't know the name of the association, the guy name is jon palais (part of attac it seems yeah)

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=jon+palais+&atb=v119-3__&iar=video...

His thinkerview video is worth watching (for french speakers)

Re: Sousveillance

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post #8

This may make sense in specific situations, but my favorite thing about it is the wordplay and what it points out about surveillance - surveillance is the more powerful watching the less powerful.

I don't think "sur-" necessarily means "more power". Here's a bunch of sur-prefixed words in French: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:French_words_prefixe... My favorite so far on that list "surbooker"--"to overbook"

well, "sur-" in french means a lot of things, alone or as a prefix : on, over, more, about, upon, onto, against, ...

So I'm pretty sure there is a pun intended here.

About "surbooker", funny thing is that "booker" is literally the english verb converted to french verb (hence the -er suffix). Even if it is well used in modern french, it still is an anglicism.

Re: Sousveillance

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post #8

This may make sense in specific situations, but my favorite thing about it is the wordplay and what it points out about surveillance - surveillance is the more powerful watching the less powerful.

I don't think "sur-" necessarily means "more power". Here's a bunch of sur-prefixed words in French: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:French_words_prefixe... My favorite so far on that list "surbooker"--"to overbook"

The etymology of surveillance is closer to “watch over”, as if from above. The literal “sur” prefix could be “over” or “on” or “upon” when translated to English, so it implies an above-ness.

The “sous” prefix is the logical opposite, usually translating to “below” or “under” or “beneath”, though it can be used to mean “within”.

Re: Sousveillance

#17
post #9

I have been looking for a lifeloging camera for a while. But i can't find anything that is discrete enogh. The n"arative clip" looked discrete. But it is of the market. Just want something that takes picture every 20 min's or so. So that i can review/analyze some of my daily behaviors in hindsight.

Ubiquiti made the ultimate sousveillance camera, the Front Row.

Re: Sousveillance

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think "sur-" necessarily means "more power". Here's a bunch of sur-prefixed words in French: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:French_words_prefixe... My favorite so far on that list "surbooker"--"to overbook"

The etymology of surveillance is closer to “watch over”, as if from above. The literal “sur” prefix could be “over” or “on” or “upon” when translated to English, so it implies an above-ness. The “sous” prefix is the logical opposite, usually translating to “below” or “under” or “beneath”, though it can be used to mean “within”.

Yeah, it means within or even permeating or imbued in this context.

Re: Sousveillance

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post #10

Sousveillance is illegal on London’s TFL network. They show adverts on the screens asking you to report anybody doing it.

TFL apparently meaning "Transport for London," in case I'm not the only person this wasn't obvious to.
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