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Dead sperm whale found in Indonesia had ingested '6kg of plastic'

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Re: Dead sperm whale found in Indonesia had ingested '6kg of plastic'

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We need to get our heads out of our asses. I don't want to be that guy but... we either need to radically change the way we live or 90% of us just need to immediately cease to exist although I'm sure the remaining 750 million people would still find ways to sabotage our planet. 'SHTF' fiction and science fiction often turns to a pandemic wiping out large chunks of the population... that would be bad for you, for me,…

You would cull 6.5 billion people because they like fashion and video games and are wasteful?

When it happens I hope you aren't swept up since we are going to need people who have the answers to everything.

Re: Dead sperm whale found in Indonesia had ingested '6kg of plastic'

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We need to get our heads out of our asses. I don't want to be that guy but... we either need to radically change the way we live or 90% of us just need to immediately cease to exist although I'm sure the remaining 750 million people would still find ways to sabotage our planet. 'SHTF' fiction and science fiction often turns to a pandemic wiping out large chunks of the population... that would be bad for you, for me,…

> We're ruining this planet multiple ways for not only ourselves but nearly all other species

Totally and absolutely agree here.

> Sad thing is, the vast majority of people are oblivious or flat out don't care.

Also totally agree here

And here's some real thought experiment stuff I've been doing. So basically, should we continue this (unchecked population, unsustainable resource depletion), something has to give right? That's an absolute fact. Our pace of reproduction and resource use simply can't go on forever, and that's where things will get interesting. Will later generations (think 1,000 years+) have adapted a bit better? (E.g., in the future polluting the ocean for example is a crime on the scale of kidnapping or something similar).

I mean the fact at the end of the day is, this can't be sustained. Something is going to have to give in the way we live, eat, have kids, etc (and by we I mean all earthlings, I'm aware that the US reproduces at a fraction of the rate of emerging/frontier countries).

It's a really interesting problem with no clear solutions

Re: Dead sperm whale found in Indonesia had ingested '6kg of plastic'

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We need to get our heads out of our asses. I don't want to be that guy but... we either need to radically change the way we live or 90% of us just need to immediately cease to exist although I'm sure the remaining 750 million people would still find ways to sabotage our planet. 'SHTF' fiction and science fiction often turns to a pandemic wiping out large chunks of the population... that would be bad for you, for me,…

Which guy? Thanos?

Probably. Btw I like how OP wrote shit about killing 90% of people even if that included him/his loved ones and then edited it. Nice. As if people who write such things have loved ones, lol (your mom doesn't count).

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post #4

Are there any clean up projects going on at the major gyres shown in the article? Seems like that would be a good place to start.

Yeah https://www.theoceancleanup.com/

Though the majority of the plastic comes from people in Indonesia and China chucking it in the river. Those countries really need to stop that with old fashioned things like littering fines and sticking it in landfills. Plus recycling etc naturally.

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post #11

Just for comparison 6kg of plastic in a 60 ton animal is the same as 6g of plastic in a 60kg organism (or a little above one teaspoon of plastic ingested by a teenager).

what are you saying...? that whatever toxicity of ingesting plastic is proportional across all living things by weight?

Re: Dead sperm whale found in Indonesia had ingested '6kg of plastic'

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post #11

Just for comparison 6kg of plastic in a 60 ton animal is the same as 6g of plastic in a 60kg organism (or a little above one teaspoon of plastic ingested by a teenager).

what are you saying...? that whatever toxicity of ingesting plastic is proportional across all living things by weight?

Generally we measure how lethal something is by using an LD 50 that looks at mass of chemical per mass of body. There are exceptions to this, but as a first assumption it seems reasonable.

Re: Dead sperm whale found in Indonesia had ingested '6kg of plastic'

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post #11

Just for comparison 6kg of plastic in a 60 ton animal is the same as 6g of plastic in a 60kg organism (or a little above one teaspoon of plastic ingested by a teenager).

Agreed, it seemed a trivial quantity for such a large animal.

Re: Dead sperm whale found in Indonesia had ingested '6kg of plastic'

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We need to get our heads out of our asses. I don't want to be that guy but... we either need to radically change the way we live or 90% of us just need to immediately cease to exist although I'm sure the remaining 750 million people would still find ways to sabotage our planet. 'SHTF' fiction and science fiction often turns to a pandemic wiping out large chunks of the population... that would be bad for you, for me,…

I say all of this as a thought experiment. But: > Sad thing is, the vast majority of people are oblivious or flat out don't care. I mean, if we're making mental jumps to wiping out billions of people - I'd argue that, does it even matter? Ie, in your example human life largely doesn't matter. Human survival maybe, but clearly not billions of lives. I'm not saying this negatively either, just acknowledging what topic…

>So if we're throwing away cultural norms on what we consider valuable, such as human life, why even care about nature? Our species? Other species? The planet?

We have no issue eradicating mold that enters our homes, bacterial infections, viruses but people don't hesitate to create 800,000 something tons of plastic a day that mostly ends up in the trash, we don't mind pumping 40 gigatons of carbon in the atmosphere, we don't mind over fishing, depleting soil, throwing out food that we couldn't be bothered to eat, buying electronics designed to be thrown away after 1-3 years, etc.

We're already wiping out billions of people. We're just making it slow and painful. Cancer rates are increasing decade after decade, climate change is a very real thing that is going to start getting noticeably worse, we're one decent crop failure away from sparking a regional or even world war.

I'm not advocating we gather up 9 out of every 10 people and euthanize them, but it would be more humane than the myriad of slow and miserable deaths we are setting ourselves up for.

The next several decades are going to be quite interesting, and almost certainly not in a good way.

As a species, we have to wake up. We have to get the majority to not only acknowledge the issues we immediately face but to actually try and work on slowing and ultimately reversing them.

We have freemium apps raking in millions and millions of dollars a day but we''re painfully under-funding attempts at renewable energy and carbon sequestration and sustainable manufacturing.

Re: Dead sperm whale found in Indonesia had ingested '6kg of plastic'

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We need to get our heads out of our asses. I don't want to be that guy but... we either need to radically change the way we live or 90% of us just need to immediately cease to exist although I'm sure the remaining 750 million people would still find ways to sabotage our planet. 'SHTF' fiction and science fiction often turns to a pandemic wiping out large chunks of the population... that would be bad for you, for me,…

If it cheers you up, the void doesn't care. None of this matters on cosmic scales. Or, depending on your philosophy of choice, you'll get a chance to go ahead and do this again eventually.

-your friendly neighborhood Nihilist.

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