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Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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And if you don't like Firefox Quantum for its own egregious privacy issues, you can use Waterfox. The next major Waterfox release will have all the speed enhancements of Firefox Quantum without the privacy issues.

Would you mind elaborating on what those egregious privacy issues are for those of us who don't follow particularly closely?

Not the parent poster, but the two I can guess at would be the unblockable analytics on settings pages and the mr robot debacle.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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I've been going through Google Analytica courses a bit recently, just because I'm interested. It is frightening how many techniques Google uses to gather meta-data and how much you can make out of it all. Thanks for sharing this, I use ProtonMail myself but avoid google all the time, one more reason to do it.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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> I don't entirely understand where exactly this applies, i.e. why you can create accounts on some sites without giving your age. That law is called COPPA ("Children Online Privacy Protection Act"). It applies to sites dedicated to children (as per https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/com... ). As Google uses one and the same account for all its services including YouTube, all Google accounts are…

You need to be at least 13 to use Google or YouTube, so they don't have to respect the intricacies of COPPA.

Interesting. There are many children who watch youtube that are younger than this. At the pediatric dentist they even had it playing on overhead TVs while they worked.

Are they really making a product that caters to very young children while claiming for legal purposes no children can use it?

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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RTFA - the user discovered that chrome was sending all text from all webpages to the translate service. The advice in the thread isn't "never connect to protonmail using Chrome." It's "don't use Chrome". 100% agree. Firefox is so good now, there's really no excuse.

> there's really no excuse.

I hate when people say this, of course there are valid reasons why not to use Firefox. For example Firefox can't play videos smoothly on my hardware (yes, this issue has been reported), that's a dealbreaker for me.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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I would make the advice more general: avoid dealing with Google. Recently I had to install Hangouts app on the Android phone (it was easier than using it on desktop because I don't have the latest Chrome). One has to register a Google Account in order to use it, and I had to answer a lot of questions as if I was applying for a visa, including a phone number (of course I used a fake number) and date of birth. Then the…

Agreed. Avoid Google services. Wrote a post about how to do it: https://righteousruminations.blogspot.com/2018/09/migration-...

Thanks for sharing this post!

I installed maps.me to give it a try... Very surprised that one of the settings is "Use Google Play services to determine your current location"

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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And if you don't like Firefox Quantum for its own egregious privacy issues, you can use Waterfox. The next major Waterfox release will have all the speed enhancements of Firefox Quantum without the privacy issues.

What are Firefox Quantum's egregious privacy issues? All I'm aware of is the encrypted DNS experiment which is a huge, unqualified privacy win. I'm not aware of anything it does that's objectively worse than the privacy catastrophe which is the status quo. Perhaps you are angry because it doesn't send your DNS requests in the clear to Google's 8.8.8.8 service? Perhaps you are angry because you don't like encrypted co…

This is making a lot of assumptions about GP's reasons. They should probably have explained in the first place, but give them the chance to before suggesting they're angry about something they never brought up, please.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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> and reselling it to the highest bidder. This isn't a thing that Google does

No, they monetize it right there in house. Doesn’t change a thing.

It changes the fact that only Google (and three-letter agencies) know what you do. It's in their best interest to keep the data to themselves.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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This is true, but a web browser can't really make those choices without a breaking a lot existing stuff. The big problem is that we keep piling onto HTML, CSS, and JS. For instance if we wanted web apps it would have been better to make something separate. Instead we have taken HTML which was originally just a way of rich text formatting and have made into the beast that it is today.

My understanding was that this was the original plan for XHTML. Keep HTML 4.x around as a "legacy standard" for old content, make new developments in a new language with an architecture more suited for modern use cases. Of course this would have required browser vendors to support two languages at the same time for a sufficiently long transition period, which was apparently too much to demand.

But they did support both languages, and support them to this day.

It's the sites that didn't adopt XHTML. Everybody on the infrastructure side loved it.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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RTFA - the user discovered that chrome was sending all text from all webpages to the translate service. The advice in the thread isn't "never connect to protonmail using Chrome." It's "don't use Chrome". 100% agree. Firefox is so good now, there's really no excuse.

For my use cases (websites, # of tabs, add-ons) Chrome is faster than Firefox without a doubt. I still use Firefox for most things because it is usually good enough.

Re: Never connect to ProtonMail using Chrome

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post #107

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> That's a pretty damn big difference. There's certainly a difference. I'm not sure it's a very big one though. The latter is an extra problem in a few specific areas: 1. your foremost fear is a bad actor getting your private details (e.g. identity fraud / doxing). These are legitimate fears, but certainly not a primary likelihood in the majority of cases. 2. discrimination based on background checks (jobs/loans/etc.…

I'm concerned about privacy insofar as the information collected can be used to used to hurt or oppress me or others. Using it to target advertising doesn't rise to that level. To the extent that advertising itself is acceptable (and there's a legitimate debate there), targeted advertising seems to be a benign use of personal data. The main problem I see is that corporations cannot be trusted to limit their use of pe…

>targeted advertising seems to be a benign use of personal data.

How you define benign? let me give you a real example,

A woman got pregnant, she probably did some web searches related to the situation. Then something bad happened, the pregnancy was lost but the woman continued to get ads related to the baby for months(or even more).

There is no button somewhere where you click and all ad networks can clear your history, your data is stored forever and sold or traded.

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